Try not raving and chewing the carpet. Or, keep on doing that, it's kinda funny.

(June 2, 2011 at 5:24 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: Try not raving and chewing the carpet. Or, keep on doing that, it's kinda funny.

Are you really going to keep ignoring the fundamental flaws in the racist arguments in this forum or are you going to say something worth reading?

Deano-o Wrote:LMAO...Really? You are comparing dogs to humans?

No, I made an analogy using dogs and a dog owner.

However, both dogs and humans are races of animal. Race isn't only applicable to humans, or even sapient creatures

Dean-O Wrote:Really? If you have some tiny connection to racists than you are a racist? Than democrats and liberals are all racists.* It was democrats that thought slavery should be left to the states. Segregationist Strom Thurmond was a liberal. Also, look at these liberal cartooons:

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/002864.php
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/mh...toon_1.jpg

You are all a bunch of fucking racists according to your own pathetic logic.*

Also, RepubLibertariaNazis....Really? Are you fucking kidding me?* Mixing Republicans, Libertarians and Nazis? None of those three political philosophies have anything to do with each other. Republicans are far from anything close to libertarians. Republicans are just as much big government idiots as you liberals just in different areas. Like liberals, the think freedom can be taken away by any politician. Libertarians fight for the freedoms and liberties that Neo-cons and liberals are trying to take away. And as for the Nazis that is simply a cop-out. Comparing a group that has nothing to do with Nazis with the Nazis shows a lack of rational argument. Have either Republicans or Libertarians shown an interest in ethnic cleansing?

In short, if you have promoted any of these pathetic arguments than you are an idiot.

And the consistent misspelling of 'then' has me read it as a tirade.

*: Obviously negative use of the word 'racist' conjoined with all democrats and liberals. Read thus as 'All Democrats and Liberals are (negative) racists'.
*: Declaration that we are all racists (I am presuming 'you' to be directed at democrats and liberals, but maybe it was the reader themself, I've seen it done.)
*: Implies intense stupidity in anyone that has used the term before.
*: No mater if I still hold the argument: I am an idiot if I have promoted it.

All of those are attacking X itself (not what it states).

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(June 2, 2011 at 5:26 am)Dean-o Wrote:

(June 2, 2011 at 5:24 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: Try not raving and chewing the carpet. Or, keep on doing that, it's kinda funny.

Are you really going to keep ignoring the fundamental flaws in the racist arguments in this forum or are you going to say something worth reading?

Depends. Which 'racist' arguments? What fundamental flaws? And are you about to say anything worth reading?

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(June 2, 2011 at 5:19 am)Dean-o Wrote: :igh::...

Try seeing beyond liberal irrationality. It's exhilarating.

And here's another one

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Really? If you have some tiny connection to racists than you are a racist? Than democrats and liberals are all racists. It was democrats that thought slavery should be left to the states. Segregationist Strom Thurmond was a liberal.

What 'tiny' connection might you be referring to?

Quote:You are all a bunch of fucking racists according to your own pathetic logic.

This is a blanketing statement with no support. Please back this up if you seriously want to start a dialogue, but I have a feeling you're just ranting.

Quote:Also, RepubLibertariaNazis....Really? Are you fucking kidding me? Mixing Republicans, Libertarians and Nazis? None of those three political philosophies have anything to do with each other. Republicans are far from anything close to libertarians. Republicans are just as much big government idiots as you liberals just in different areas. Like liberals, the think freedom can be taken away by any politician. Libertarians fight for the freedoms and liberties that Neo-cons and liberals are trying to take away. And as for the Nazis that is simply a cop-out. Comparing a group that has nothing to do with Nazis with the Nazis shows a lack of rational argument. Have either Republicans or Libertarians shown an interest in ethnic cleansing?

I agree that political hyperbole in this country is out of control. I assume people that use this terminology are using the label Nazis to describe a political group whose agenda they feel is predominatley beneficial to white people. It's a bad term to use but no one is accusing anyone of ethnic cleansing.

Quote:In short, if you have promoted any of these pathetic arguments than you are an idiot.

What arguments are you referring to? All you mentioned in your post is a disdain for unfounded labels.

I missed the Government class that said that there are exactly two kinds of political thought, and they are named Liberal and Conservative. I would have thought that such dualistic thinking would be a bit more marginalized on a forum like this. Perhaps I was mistaken in my thoughts that most people's political opinions on a variety of subjects look more like an IQ chart distribution? Or maybe a big blank?

James.

(June 2, 2011 at 5:26 am)Dean-o Wrote:

(June 2, 2011 at 5:24 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: Try not raving and chewing the carpet. Or, keep on doing that, it's kinda funny.

Are you really going to keep ignoring the fundamental flaws in the racist arguments in this forum or are you going to say something worth reading?

Right now I'm just looking for the Ignore button. Anybody seen it?

@Dean-o:

You make some excellent points; I'm sorry a large proportion of people here seem to have completely missed them.

@Everyone else:

There have been multiple times where people have called Republicans or Libertarians racists because of some miniscule connection to racism in their respective groups. This is what Dean-o was pointing out, and rightly calling illogical. If you searched for about 5 minutes on Google, you could find some link to racism in any political party, including liberal groups.

He also pointed out the childish behaviour of those who resort to calling their political opponents "RepubLibertariaNazis" or similar terms. There is an old custom in forums that anyone making a comparison of someone to Nazis without an actual valid reason to has automatically lost whatever debate or discussion they are in. (See Godwin's Law).

(June 2, 2011 at 7:16 am)Tiberius Wrote: @Everyone else:

There have been multiple times where people have called Republicans or Libertarians racists because of some miniscule connection to racism in their respective groups. This is what Dean-o was pointing out, and rightly calling illogical. If you searched for about 5 minutes on Google, you could find some link to racism in any political party, including liberal groups

If that was what he intended to point out, he went the wrong way about it. If he wants to discuss misplaced labels and miniscule links to racism he probably shouldn't have titled the thread the way he did. To start a discussion with, "Liberals on this forum are irrational," and then try to make a point about labels on parties seems more like defensive mud-slinging.

Tiberius Wrote:He also pointed out the childish behaviour of those who resort to calling their political opponents "RepubLibertariaNazis" or similar terms. There is an old custom in forums that anyone making a comparison of someone to Nazis without an actual valid reason to has automatically lost whatever debate or discussion they are in. (See Godwin's Law).

If it is the childish behaviour he wishes to address, then he should address that issue specifically, and not lump it in as if it is somehow part of a political ideaology.

Anymouse Wrote:I missed the Government class that said that there are exactly two kinds of political thought, and they are named Liberal and Conservative. I would have thought that such dualistic thinking would be a bit more marginalized on a forum like this. Perhaps I was mistaken in my thoughts that most people's political opinions on a variety of subjects look more like an IQ chart distribution? Or maybe a big blank?

Sadly, we humans organize political philosophy in a dichotomous nature. While the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' encompass a wide variety of political views, they are merely a way of generalizing one's policital beliefs in one word.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Really? If you have some tiny connection to racists than you are a racist?

This is a joke post right? Aw fuck..yer serious..here we go again. I have gone out of my way to say that Adrian is NOT a racist, even though he wants to rid our country of Affirmative action. So would you care to give us some examples?

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Than democrats and liberals are all racists.

LMFAO - racism transcends philosophy and political creed. Good education and an open mind is the only thing that will defeat an individuals racism.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: It was democrats that thought slavery should be left to the states. Segregationist Strom Thurmond was a liberal. Also, look at these liberal cartooons:

This is a joke post..right? You think the Liberals pulled away from the union and started the civil war over states rights and slavery? That Lincoln freeing the slaves was a "conservative act"? The Republican party was the party of the liberals for close to 40 years...unless you want to say that Republican Theodore Roosevelt was also a Conservative. Teddy R. started the Progressive Party. Do conservatives start Progressive parties? Do you know anything about the Republican/democrat/Dixiecrat shift over the last 100 years?

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/002864.php

How is that racist? The cartoonist based it off of this comment:

LA Times Wrote:"Rice's ability to become an almost clone-like extension of the president to understand what he wants, to make her only agenda his agenda and to carry out his wishes with unfailing loyalty has made her invaluable."

Sure sounds like a parrot to me. And sure..Black people have been historically insulted with the term "Parrot" for so long, that it is obviously racist [/sarcasm]

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/mh...toon_1.jpg

Again..I ask..how is this a racist cartoon?

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: You are all a bunch of fucking racists according to your own pathetic logic.

LOL..what logic. You havent even established this "logic" that you claim make liberals so racist...so I cant even make a reply on it.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Also, RepubLibertariaNazis....Really? Are you fucking kidding me? Mixing Republicans, Libertarians and Nazis?

Republicans, Libertarians, and Nazi/Fascists all vote Republican. Dont believe me? Go over to "Stormfront" forums. Go over to "Nigermania" forums. Both sites are racist to the core, and NEVER say ANYTHING nice about liberals. Many openly admit they are Republicans, Teaparty members, and fascists. This is something I have been trying to explain to the Libertarians on this site, but they plug their ears and eyes and go "lalalalala..I cant hear you!". Libertarians in America vote their economics first before their social views..which means they vote Republican. In fact the Libertarian party has published official invitations for its members to join the teaparty. How much more do evidence do I have to post?

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: None of those three political philosophies have anything to do with each other.

Not nevessarily socially related, but definitely economically related. Libertarians, Nazi's and Republicans are all settled on the right side of the economic spectrum. Which means they can make alliances based on economic policies. I and Min have posted NUMEROUS evidences of such, yet the Libertarians on this forum refuse to acknowledge them. In fact after posting the evidence, the Libertarians on this board completely stop the conversation and refuse to respond afterwards. Please explain that to me.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Republicans are far from anything close to libertarians. Republicans are just as much big government idiots as you liberals just in different areas.

*sigh* I will have to post this YET AGAIN... and I will more than likely never get acknowledgement or an answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Liberty_Caucus

Quote:The Republican Liberty Caucus is a political action organization dedicated to promoting the ideals of individual liberty, limited government and free market economics within the Republican Party in the United States.[1] It represents the libertarian wing of the Republican Party. It also operates a political action committee, the RLC-USA PAC.[2]

Follow the link and view all of the Libertarians in the Republican party.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Like liberals, the think freedom can be taken away by any politician.

LMFAO...WUT?!?! Oh yeah..you must be a Libertarian. Therefore anyone who isnt a Libertarian hates freedom.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Libertarians fight for the freedoms and liberties that Neo-cons and liberals are trying to take away.

Im sure that some in America do. But most Libertarians in America vote Republican because of their ECONOMIC beliefs, not their social beliefs.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: And as for the Nazis that is simply a cop-out. Comparing a group that has nothing to do with Nazis with the Nazis shows a lack of rational argument. Have either Republicans or Libertarians shown an interest in ethnic cleansing?

You havent been to many Nazi / Fascist related forums to study up on their politics have you? Many of the Nazi/fascist forums I have browsed have many of their forum leaders begging the members not to vote Republican, but to vote for their local Fascist third parties.

(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: In short, if you have promoted any of these pathetic arguments than you are an idiot.

Your post is evidence that you do not know much about political history in America.

(June 2, 2011 at 5:19 am)Dean-o Wrote:

Quote:Racist: a value that places one 'race' higher than another for X. Ie: The owner of the Rottweiler guard dog is racist in believing Chihuahuas entirely useless as guard dogs.

You: Believe that chihuahuas make horrid guard dogs. Proof: You are racist.

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LMAO...Really? You are comparing dogs to humans?

You speciest.