(October 17, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(October 16, 2016 at 4:06 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: That is very close to what I have found/hammered out, didn't even know there was a term for it: Panentheism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God") is the belief that the divine interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond time and space. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical,[1] panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.[2]


In my working model: God is an infinite absolute substance (like an "ocean" with no top, bottom or sides) which self cavitates (like a bubble) into an infinite number of finite relative spaces. The unified properties of the original infinite get spread out and individuated inside each voided space bubble (universe) like the individual color from bent white light.

The original unified Infinite (GOD) still exists above and below the infinite number of spatially finite universes but it had to sacrifice omni-presence for the infinite spaces of creation (universes) to exist at all and they are all patterned in the exact same manner but develop differently.

Interesting thing about dividing an extant infinite, no matter where you cut through it as a plane (to create infinite spherical universes at the same time), it is divided exactly in half. If you were to mythologize the original Infinite as a human body, you would say creation sprang from the persons navel.  Look up Vishnu.

It's called Tzimtzum, you'll love it! It's an old middle eastern recipe...

I'm guessing it's a salad of sorts?

(October 16, 2016 at 4:06 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(October 16, 2016 at 3:04 pm)Aegon Wrote: Could it be that all the energy of our universe was contained within the "God", and the "God" transformed itself into the universe? Is this already a belief? Or does it not make sense?

EDIT: Looks like I'm describing Pandeism.

That is very close to what I have found/hammered out, didn't even know there was a term for it: Panentheism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God") is the belief that the divine interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond time and space. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical,[1] panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.[2]


In my working model: God is an infinite absolute substance (like an "ocean" with no top, bottom or sides) which self cavitates (like a bubble) into an infinite number of finite relative spaces. The unified properties of the original infinite get spread out and individuated inside each voided space bubble (universe) like the individual color from bent white light.

The original unified Infinite (GOD) still exists above and below the infinite number of spatially finite universes but it had to sacrifice omni-presence for the infinite spaces of creation (universes) to exist at all and they are all patterned in the exact same manner but develop differently.

Interesting thing about dividing an extant infinite, no matter where you cut through it as a plane (to create infinite spherical universes at the same time), it is divided exactly in half. If you were to mythologize the original Infinite as a human body, you would say creation sprang from the persons navel.  Look up Vishnu.

It amuses me when you say "my working model"! Cracks me up.

Scream at them "Leftover cosmic microwave background radiation gave me skin cancer you insensitive assholes" and storm off.

Quote:In my working model: God is an infinite absolute substance (like an "ocean" with no top, bottom or sides) which self cavitates (like a bubble) into an infinite number of finite relative spaces.

https://youtu.be/63UlBsdElsY

(October 16, 2016 at 7:33 am)zak Wrote: This is my first actual post that is not a greeting.

I'd like to start out by saying that I am only sixteen years old; I know that it may seem irrelevant but I figured I'd just say so.

I have many atheist friends but some are religious. And being in the nature of friends, they will ask me questions about atheism. I'd also just like to know this for myself, because I am not entirely sure.

What do I say when somebody asks me about the Big Bang theory?

Anything from what happened before it, how did it start, etc.

I am aware that there is never a clear answer for this. I just would like to know if any of you have any quick and easy explanations for it.

Even if I, when asked this, cannot explain what it is, I can just turn it back on them. Ask them about the origin of God.

I want to thank you in advance for any future responses to this.

Have a fantastic Sunday. :p

Tell them that the universe is expanding which means it was once at a singular point and exploded. I found an article that says that the scientists actually theorized back in the 1920s it was more of a big bounce from a previous universe that collapsed in on itself.

(October 17, 2016 at 7:30 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'm guessing it's a salad of sorts?

It's a soup reduction with a side of unleavened bread.

Seriously, look up the Ain Soph Aur and the Tzimtzum.

(October 17, 2016 at 7:41 pm)chimp3 Wrote: It amuses me when you say "my working model"! Cracks me up.

Working as in it both "works" logically and yields predictions we've already found evidence for, and I'm still working on it. It a process in progress.

(October 17, 2016 at 7:20 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(October 17, 2016 at 6:42 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You're half right.

So you work with the theory that matter and energy are eternal, you just don't label any state of it "God"...yes?

Prove that any god or gods exist.

(October 17, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:In my working model: God is an infinite absolute substance (like an "ocean" with no top, bottom or sides) which self cavitates (like a bubble) into an infinite number of finite relative spaces.

https://youtu.be/63UlBsdElsY

Look up: Chaos, Nun, Abzu, Kshir Sagar, and Ain Soph Aur, Tzimtzum.

If there is any validity to antiquity what so ever (we are antiquity to the future), the weight of consideration is far over on my side of perception/axioms/state of existence before beginning of relative time.

The first law of thermodynamics is on the same side...so is all of quantum mechanics that derive discrete/finite movements out of an infinite field.