(October 2, 2016 at 9:23 am)chimp3 Wrote:

(October 2, 2016 at 12:08 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Ordinary as compared to what or whom? Can you imagine the improbability of the specific sequences of events in our lives that make each one of us who we are? Each of us are extraordinarily improbable.

Certainly unique. I love trees. I would prefer to talk trees with you. Your science is laughable.

Would you laugh if I told you they've been my greatest teachers?

(September 11, 2016 at 10:49 am)robvalue Wrote: 3. Nothing can be infinitely old.

How does that work out for Yawheh?

Things that are timeless by default are infinitely old. Like a photon.

(September 11, 2016 at 10:00 am)fdesilva Wrote: In the universe as we know it the following is true.
1.       Infinite time is time without end and as such can never be reached.
2.       Infinite distance can never be reached. Speed has a maximum which is the speed of light as such an infinite distance cannot be reached for the following reason.
Consider sending out a beam of light. The light will never reach infinity as it would need infinite time. An infinite time can never pass as its time without end.
3.        Nothing can be infinitely old. Consider making some object. Any time in the future it will always have a finite age as infinite time can never pass. Applying this to the past means that everything that exist is not infinity old or did not always exist.
4.       The truth of 3 has been demonstrated by the big bang which was the event that gave birth to the universe.
5.       The cause of the event that gave rise to the universe, if it had a property of infinity the same as the infinity in this universe then it in turn would be of a finite age and would need a creating event.
6.       Thus anything with a property of infinity the same as the infinity of this universe could not be the ultimate cause of this universe or any universe like it.
7.       Thus the ultimate cause of everything that exist has an infinity that is different or nothing like the infinity of this universe.

(1) is not about the universe


(3) is an assumption, not knowledge

(4) the big bang is a theory, not a fact

(5) it is not known that anything "gave rise" to the universe

(7) The universe is not known to have been caused, infinity has only one meaning, and even IF the universe is created, a Sky Daddy who wants us to cut off the tips of people's weiners is for sure not what did it.

(October 30, 2016 at 7:35 am)maestroanth Wrote:

(September 11, 2016 at 10:49 am)robvalue Wrote: 3. Nothing can be infinitely old.

How does that work out for Yawheh?

Things that are timeless by default are infinitely old. Like a photon.

I don't think so.  If they are timeless, they are ageless.  You could say they will eternally be age 0.  You could even say they don't really "exist," though from our perspective that seems kind of paradoxical.

Photons are infinitely old? That's new to me.

(October 30, 2016 at 6:58 pm)Alex K Wrote: Photons are infinitely old? That's new to me.

. . . maybe-- but not to the photons!