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(October 28, 2016 at 6:34 pm)A Theist Wrote: Except this is much more serious than Bill getting oral satisfaction from a young intern in the White House.
It was a little bit more than that. He was also accused by multiple other women of sexual assault.
Maybe...probably. But Bill was still a good president. I'm tired of smear jobs and sex scandals on all sides. I'm not trying to minimize sexual harassment or abuse. I just think they are parallel issues to governance. I haven't seen any evidence that a leader's sexual integrity has impeded their ability to govern.
October 31, 2016 at 1:49 pm (This post was last modified: October 31, 2016 at 1:50 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(October 29, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Aroura Wrote: So here is my reasoning, CL, as to why I think Hillary will be better than Trump for all Americans, Liberal and conservative.
Experience. You may not like the fact that she is a lifelong politician, but would you hire an inexperienced person to do...well...anything important? The president is the highest level of politics in our country. It seems best, to me, to hire someone experienced at the job, even if her experience isn't all good. Would you hire someone who had never taken an engineering class to design and build a highrise building?
What exactly does she have to show for a life time in politic? Hillary has an impressive CV, but I am not aware of any significant accomplishments on her part. Does she have any signature legislation? Did she negotiate any major treaties? Restore any damaged diplomatic relationships? To be fair, Trump hasn't had any such experience. But neither did Obama before his first term.
(October 29, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Aroura Wrote: 2) Diplomacy.
Do any of these count as successful diplomacy: "Reset" button with Russia? Arab Spring? Bengazi? Syrian refugee crisis?
(October 29, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Aroura Wrote: 3) Guts.
(October 31, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(October 31, 2016 at 10:22 am)ReptilianPeon Wrote: Still, I fear the mistakes of Iraq and Libya are going to be repeated. Russia won't take lightly to the sovereignty of its ally being violated.
It goes beyond that. The fact is, the Russians are on Assad's side because with him, they are able to preserve their basing rights -- their only naval base outside the Bosporus for their Black Sea fleet, and a well-placed air base. In order to preserve those assets, they entered the Syrian civil war.
Imposing a no-fly zone upon an unwilling country is, legally, an act of war, and the Russians, as Assad's allies who have been invited to be there, would be well within their rights to bomb or shoot down any American personnel and equipment deployed to enforce such a motion.
(October 31, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(October 29, 2016 at 9:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It was a little bit more than that. He was also accused by multiple other women of sexual assault.
Maybe...probably. But Bill was still a good president. I'm tired of smear jobs and sex scandals on all sides. I'm not trying to minimize sexual harassment or abuse. I just think they are parallel issues to governance. I haven't seen any evidence that a leader's sexual integrity has impeded their ability to govern.
I think if you're a leader and you're representing something greater than yourself, you have to be held to certain standards. Not only did Bill cheat on his wife, but he lied about it to the American people, and was also accused of sexual assault.
It's like in the Air Force. If one of the pilots (or whoever) cheats on their wife, their career is pretty much over. It's considered illegal. "Conduct unbecoming of an officer" and all that. If our military members can't do it, there's no reason why our president should get a pass, IMHO.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
(October 30, 2016 at 1:45 am)Whateverist Wrote: First of all what Bill did in the extra marital sex department does not reflect on Hillary in any way.
Secondly I don't think Bill was ever accused of sexual assault. He was guilty of exploiting a relationship of unequal power. Not quite the same thing.
Just like Justice Thomas,...except Thomas was innocent.
(October 31, 2016 at 1:58 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Let's see, if Anita Hill is lying she gets to be a pariah. If Clarence Thomas is lying he gets to be a Supreme Court Justice.
If Anita Hill was lying and Thomas was not confirmed, then she would through her deceit have had a great career as professional victim. Not a bad gig in Left-wing circles.
(October 31, 2016 at 1:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think if you're a leader and you're representing something greater than yourself, you have to be held to certain standards. Not only did Bill cheat on his wife, but he lied about it to the American people, and was also accused of sexual assault.
While I give you allegations of sexual assault, cheating on one's spouse shouldn't be an issue. And far as I know, it's only an issue in America when it comes to the western world. We had a president, who cheated on his wife, got divorced and married his lover, and still was elected for a second term. Christian Democrat candidate, by the way. It was a non issue, since he'd done a good job.
Quote:By publicly discussing a renewed investigative focus on Hillary Clinton, the FBI director, James Comey, has placed himself in the crosshairs of a federal inquiry into whether he has interfered in an election, the Guardian has learned.
The Office of Special Counsel (OSC), an independent federal investigative agency, cited longstanding policy in neither confirming nor denying any the existence of investigation into Comey for violating the Hatch Act, a law designed to prevent federal officeholders from abusing their power to influence an election.
But on Saturday, Richard Painter, a former ethics lawyer in George W Bush’s White House, filed an official complaint against Comey with the office, and then disclosed it in an op-ed.
“In general, OSC opens a case after receiving a complaint,” said spokesman Nick Schwellenbach, who would not comment specifically on Comey.
Such investigations can take anywhere from days to months, depending on the complexity of the circumstances.
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