(November 1, 2016 at 8:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 1, 2016 at 7:23 am)Mathilda Wrote: The USA is destroying its own economy without needing any help from anyone else.

In fact all economies will be destroyed as we enter the long emergency. All economies are driven by energy. Demand increases over time and as the energy source is depleted the costs start to rise.

We are based on a society that demands people work to get money. But soon robots/computers will be able to do any job better faster and cheaper than humans, any job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0Kzb3haK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUFRWOKyMPc

This will just make it worse.

Jevons Paradox

Quote:In economics, the Jevons paradox (/ˈdʒɛvənz/; sometimes Jevons effect) occurs when technological progress increases the efficiency with which a resource is used (reducing the amount necessary for any one use), but the rate of consumption of that resource rises because of increasing demand.[1] The Jevons paradox is perhaps the most widely known paradox in environmental economics.[2] However, governments and environmentalists generally assume that efficiency gains will lower resource consumption, ignoring the possibility of the paradox arising.[3]

In short, as something becomes more energy efficient, the cost decreases which means that usage increases as more people can afford it. As an example, cars are far more efficient than they were 100 years ago which means that most people can have one, or even two, which means more engines burning fuel. Or as aeroplanes become more efficient it allows more people to go on holidays abroad. This paradox was first observed in 1865 and so has been understood for a very long time now.

In terms of non-equilibrium thermodynamics, efficiency gains can be understood as continuing to find new ways in which to harness increasingly shallow thermodynamic gradients to perform work and thereby increasing entropy.

(October 31, 2016 at 4:50 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 31, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Drich Wrote: This will only happen if the USA is destroyed economically.

Now I know why you're voting Trump.

This is why I am voting for trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

He is consistent with his message over the last 35 or 40 years, these clips shows his concerns and genuine reluctance to office. His current bid and message is the same this man is concerned about this country.. In the way government should be. Meaning he is looking to provide a platform or a stable environment so we all can presue our own endeavors. Meaning we have to have financial stability and complete autonomy/independence from other nations inorder to have the freedom to live the lives we want to live as individual Americans.

This is in contrast to a career politician who will literally say and do anything to get into office and then when she is there she will do whatever she wants. (Benghazi, her email server, deleting her emails after being subpoenaed etc) Clinton has given us a picture of the future she wants. Big government micromanaging our lives. she wants to repeal or augment portions of the 1st and 2nd amendment. "We must Change deep held religious views." "We need to try an implement Australia's gun laws." (Australia put a ban on any repeating firearm) basically you can have a gun one step above a muzzle loader/black powder gun.
Then seeks to seat justices to the supreme court which will all but invalidate the constitutions.

No thanks tom hanks. If we are just going to do all of this we might as well have let the Germans win WWII.

The fact that you un-ironically link to infowars is a little distressing.

(November 1, 2016 at 7:23 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 31, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Drich Wrote: You are right though, if Revelation is right, we must be moved to one world government. This will only happen if the USA is destroyed economically. (Meaning to through out the constitutions and to adopt planet wide book'o' rules.) which is what Clinton has promised to do.

The USA is destroying its own economy without needing any help from anyone else.

In fact all economies will be destroyed as we enter the long emergency. All economies are driven by energy. Demand increases over time and as the energy source is depleted the costs start to rise.

maybe, (the world going back to smaller localized communities) IF we can not break our dependence of foreign oil. However there will be quite a few steps between now and then. One being a push to globalize (put all of our resources in a pile) and among other things develop other energy sources. making solar more efficient, next gen batteries, redevelopment of steam propulsion. ect. If we can make any of that work then we will remain or push for further global expansion.

But inorder for the US to willingly go into a global market we must be past the point of being able to sustain ourselves. There is no other reason to literally spend more money in one presidential term than every other president combined, and then the next person in line promise to double down on the spending...

We are almost to the point of no return, if elected Clinton will break this country, by design. all in a bid to force America to a larger global community. which means the document that governs the US get put aside for a the world constitution.

(November 1, 2016 at 10:08 am)Drich Wrote: maybe, (the world going back to smaller localized communities) IF we can not break our dependence of foreign oil. However there will be quite a few steps between now and then. One being a push to globalize (put all of our resources in a pile) and among other things develop other energy sources. making solar more efficient, next gen batteries, redevelopment of steam propulsion. ect. If we can make any of that work then we will remain or push for further global expansion.

Demand will only ever increase exponentially, and resources will deplete exponentially over time. The only way the US can break its dependence on foreign oil is to break its dependence on oil. But that's not popular with the American public who want to carry on driving large SUVs and consume as much as possible. This is precisely why the US has to deal with the outside world.

Renewable energy just helps plugs some of the gap.

It's not just America. Every country in the world is in the same situation, except possibly Iceland which has a small population and abundant geothermal energy.

(November 1, 2016 at 9:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The fact that you un-ironically link to infowars is a little distressing.

content, context was my primary concern. The video shows a 35+ year consistency with trump. When this man says he is trying to make America great again, it is not just a tag line he really believes and means what he says.

He is looking to put the US back on track to being a sovereign nation who's citizens can decide for themselves how they want to live. We can not do that if we are under the yoke of a singular world government.

Iceland looks like such a lovely country.

Definitely on my to visit list some time in the future.

(November 1, 2016 at 10:20 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 1, 2016 at 10:08 am)Drich Wrote: maybe, (the world going back to smaller localized communities) IF we can not break our dependence of foreign oil. However there will be quite a few steps between now and then. One being a push to globalize (put all of our resources in a pile) and among other things develop other energy sources. making solar more efficient, next gen batteries, redevelopment of steam propulsion. ect. If we can make any of that work then we will remain or push for further global expansion.

Demand will only ever increase exponentially, and resources will deplete exponentially over time. The only way the US can break its dependence on foreign oil is to break its dependence on oil. But that's not popular with the American public who want to carry on driving large SUVs and consume as much as possible. This is precisely why the US has to deal with the outside world.

Renewable energy just helps plugs some of the gap.

It's not just America. Every country in the world is in the same situation, except possibly Iceland which has a small population and abundant geothermal energy.

Again we currently have the technology to end dependence on oil. if we so desire, the problem is infrastructure. we do not yet have the 'power grid' to support a half a billion cars getting plugged in at night, nor the resources to implement any of the other existing alternative power sources we have that can literally power our everyday lives. So then how do we get it? We milk/tax the current energy source, and use the resources created by the current energy sources to build the support structure needed to supply the new energy source.

But, again.. At our current rate of decline the US can no longer do this alone. as doubling down on obama care and the subsequent one payer obam-inton medicare system will bankrupt the united states.

America's dependence on foreign oil has dropped nearly 60% under the Obama administration and domestic oil production has gone up over 85% after declining for nearly a decade under Bush the Texas oil man. Just putting it out there.

(November 1, 2016 at 11:01 am)Drich Wrote:

(November 1, 2016 at 9:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The fact that you un-ironically link to infowars is a little distressing.

content, context was my primary concern. The video shows a 35+ year consistency with trump. When this man says he is trying to make America great again, it is not just a tag line he really believes and means what he says.

He is looking to put the US back on track to being a sovereign nation who's citizens can decide for themselves how they want to live. We can not do that if we are under the yoke of a singular world government.

I'm not sure I understand your problem with a single world government, since that would presumably herald the imminent fulfillment of Revelation, as you seem to interpret it. Isn't that a 'necessary evil' in your scheme of things?

Note: I'm not an advocate of one-world government, so don't tar me with that brush.