(November 2, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Rights are a legal concept. Someone is not legally considered a person or capable of having legal rights until after they're born, you know.

In case you haven't noticed... you can't legally abort a person or anyone with rights. That would be called murder rather than an abortion, y'know. And it tends to happen to folks AFTER they're born.

So because it's legal its right? yet you have a problem with ancient Hebrew law? interesting. Also you do realize that at one time black people had no rights.

Answer this question, who has the authority to decide who has a right to live?

Don't you find it odd that corporations are afforded the same rights as people (look up corporate person-hood) yet an unborn person isn't?

(November 2, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

Skeptics Annotated Bible Wrote:(21:18-21)
If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die."
To kill or not to kill
What the Bible says about children and stoning

(21:18) "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,"

(21:19) "Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city."

(21:20) "And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard."

(21:21) "And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die."

You're proving my point there bud, under the law he no longer had right to live, which means you should be fine with it.

Quote:So because it's legal its right?

Even better than that.... it's the law.

(November 2, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So because it's legal its right?

No.

Quote: yet you have a problem with ancient Hebrew law?

Yes.

Quote: interesting.

No.

Quote: Also you do realize that at one time black people had no rights.

Yes.

Quote:Answer this question, who has the authority to decide who has a right to live?

No one.

Quote:Don't you find it odd that corporations are afforded the same rights as people (look up corporate person-hood) yet an unborn person isn't?

Being given legal rights doesn't make those legal right's right, you know.

Quote:You're proving my point there bud,

No, you're conflating the concept of legal rights with the concept of what is right.

You'll never be able to get equivocation past me.

Quote: under the law he no longer had right to live, which means you should be fine with it.

No. Fuck the false implications you draw are pathetic.

(November 2, 2016 at 6:51 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*
wrong...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...der-brain/

If you paid attention to the video, you'd see that the woman's brain was indeed different.

And you might want to look at the body of evidence rather than pick out a single study that suits what you want to say.

http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch....0158-5/ppt

Quote:Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated FtM transsexuals is closer to the pattern of subjects who share their gender identity (males) than those who share their biological sex (females). Our results provide evidence for an inherent difference in the brain structure of FtM transsexuals.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2...X3_mJTNEWN

Quote:They found significant differences between male and female brains in four regions of white matter – and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006). “It’s the first time it has been shown that the brains of female-to-male transsexual people are masculinised,” Guillamon says.

In a separate study, the team used the same technique to compare white matter in 18 male-to-female transsexual people with that in 19 males and 19 females. Surprisingly, in each transsexual person’s brain the structure of the white matter in the four regions was halfway between that of the males and females (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.11.007). “Their brains are not completely masculinised and not completely feminised, but they still feel female,” says Guillamon.

The problem is your "body of evidence" is outdated, both of your links are from 2011, while mine is from 2016, and the article I quoted explicitly stated:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...der-brain/

Quote:Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

(November 2, 2016 at 6:51 pm)Mathilda Wrote: The problem is that you can't just classify the brain and being either male or female. If you did that then you'd run into trouble classifying gay people who can have a gender identity of their biological sex but can have a sexuality more like those of the opposite sex. But as usual, the religious minded such as yourself have trouble with the concept of anything that isn't binary.


Neuroscience Proves What We’ve Known All Along: Gender Exists on a Spectrum

(November 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Another nail in your coffin would be those that are gender fluid, does their brain just morph back and forth between genders?

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid

What relevance does that have to anything?

Here is the relevance; If gender is determined by the brain, how do you explain someone who is gender fluid?

If emotions are processed by the brain, how do you explain these fluid emotional states?

(November 2, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Answer this question, who has the authority to decide who has a right to live?

The authorities.

(November 2, 2016 at 7:27 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Here is the relevance; If gender is determined by the brain, how do you explain someone who is gender fluid?

It's determined by the brain...

(November 2, 2016 at 7:32 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: If emotions are processed by the brain, how do you explain these fluid emotional states?

Denmark.

(November 2, 2016 at 7:32 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 2, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Answer this question, who has the authority to decide who has a right to live?

The authorities.

Interesting...

No. You're an idiot.