(November 1, 2016 at 11:11 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 1, 2016 at 8:57 am)Mathilda Wrote: So if your god does not exist then neither does free will.

Do animals, fish and insects have free will? Or are they all controlled by your god?

Animals live according to their nature, in other words they live according to how God made them. A pig doesn't try to be a wolf or vice versa, yet somehow a man can announce he's a woman and it's supposed to be accepted as being truth, so much so that their crediting a man (really a woman) with giving birth, plain nonsense.

Well fuck you too, then, asshat. I'm not sure how the conversation went there, but you certainly made sure it did somehow.

Unable to answer these questions then Huggy? Maybe your concept of free will is ill defined and does not stand up to scrutiny.

(November 1, 2016 at 12:31 pm)Mathilda Wrote: So how come humans don't live according to their nature and how your god made them? Why do they have free will and not animals?

Does a baby have free will? What about a toddler? A fertilised egg? A sperm cell?

What do you mean by an animal's nature? What causes a pig to act like a pig and not a wolf? Its body or its brain?  And if its their brain then are you saying that our own brains don't determine how we act and behave?

(November 1, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm saying that each has their own distinct nature, but if that's too confusing for you, I can use an example of a woman who identifies as a cat and according to the society we've created, you can't tell her she's not...

Science can show that her brain is more similar to a human brain than a cat brain and provide a simpler explanation for why she thinks that she is a cat.

Science shows that transsexual brains are more similar to the gender that they claim to be and that they are not deluded in the same way.

A foetus never has a chance to become a cat in a womb whereas it always has a chance to become either male, female or somewhere in-between in different ways.


Science. It works, bitches.

According to the society we've created I can't tell her she's not a cat? Hmmm... interesting.

Let me test that hypothesis.

She's not a cat.

Oh looks like there's a glitch in the system where at least I myself am able to call her not a cat. I wonder if I'm the only one with this glitch. I mean, I assume so. I presume no one else is able to tell her she's not a cat and I'm a one-off glitch because if everyone could tell her that she's not a cat then THAT would imply that Huggy is WRONG and he's NEVER wrong. Especially about Denmark... or some such shit.

So I must be some sort of special exception, a glitch in the Matrix. That woman is not a cat. Nano is not a cat. She's not a cat. Wow, it's easy!!! I'm unstoppable.

(November 2, 2016 at 5:30 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 1, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm saying that each has their own distinct nature, but if that's too confusing for you, I can use an example of a woman who identifies as a cat and according to the society we've created, you can't tell her she's not...

Science can show that her brain is more similar to a human brain than a cat brain and provide a simpler explanation for why she thinks that she is a cat.

Science shows that transsexual brains are more similar to the gender that they claim to be and that they are not deluded in the same way.

A foetus never has a chance to become a cat in a womb whereas it always has a chance to become either male, female or somewhere in-between in different ways.


Science. It works, bitches.

*emphasis mine*
wrong...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...der-brain/

Quote:“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

If you paid attention to the video, you'd see that the woman's brain was indeed different.

Another nail in your coffin would be those that are gender fluid, does their brain just morph back and forth between genders?

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid

Quote:Gender fluid is a gender identity which refers to a gender which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities. Their gender can also vary at random or vary in response to different circumstances. Gender fluid people may also identify as multigender, non-binary and/or transgender.

Gender fluid people who feel that the strength of their gender(s) change(s) over time, or that they are sometimes agender, may identify as gender flux.

But hey, it's nice to know you're also intolerant to the trans-specied community...

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(November 2, 2016 at 8:18 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: According to the society we've created I can't tell her she's not a cat? Hmmm... interesting.

Let me test that hypothesis.

She's not a cat.

Oh looks like there's a glitch in the system where at least I myself am able to call her not a cat. I wonder if I'm the only one with this glitch. I mean, I assume so. I presume no one else is able to tell her she's not a cat and I'm a one-off glitch because if everyone could tell her that she's not a cat then THAT would imply that Huggy is WRONG and he's NEVER wrong. Especially about Denmark... or some such shit.

I forgot I need to spell things out for certain mental midgets...

You can't tell her she's not a cat without being a hypocrite; got it?

(November 2, 2016 at 8:18 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: So I must be some sort of special exception, a glitch in the Matrix. That woman is not a cat. Nano is not a cat. She's not a cat. Wow, it's easy!!! I'm unstoppable.

No, it's just that for you, hypocrisy is par for the course.

(August 1, 2016 at 5:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If we are talking legality, then legally a corporation is considered a person... what's  your point?

I gave you the medical definition, which defined a fetus as "unborn offspring", human offspring ARE children, but I see you opt to ignore medical definitions when it's convenient.

Just so were clear, are you saying that an unborn has no right to live? By what authority does one make this determination?

(August 1, 2016 at 11:41 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: None of it changes the stupidity of being pro life.

It amuses me that you said I was trying to argue semantics but it's you who is arguing semantics.

Yes absolutely no right. It's the mother's decision.

(August 3, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So you admit that an unborn child has no rights and the mother can destroy it if she wants to...

That statement is why you're a hypocrite.

(December 4, 2008 at 1:01 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: the bible is full of horror too. Does it not say In the OT  that if your child talks back to you, you should stone them to death?

Fuck off, Huggy

(November 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I forgot I need to spell things out for certain mental midgets...

Projection much?

Quote:You can't tell her she's not a cat without being a hypocrite; got it?

REALLY?!?!? THAT'S what you meant?! I had NO IDEA.

Actually you can. She is objectively not a cat. Whereas transwomen and transmen are objectively females and males respectively.

Ever heard of a false analogy dude?

(August 1, 2016 at 5:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If we are talking legality, then legally a corporation is considered a person... what's  your point?

I gave you the medical definition, which defined a fetus as "unborn offspring", human offspring ARE children, but I see you opt to ignore medical definitions when it's convenient.

Just so were clear, are you saying that an unborn has no right to live? By what authority does one make this determination?

Rights are a legal concept. Someone is not legally considered a person or capable of having legal rights until after they're born, you know.

In case you haven't noticed... you can't legally abort a person or anyone with rights. That would be called murder rather than an abortion, y'know. And it tends to happen to folks AFTER they're born.

(December 4, 2008 at 1:01 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: the bible is full of horror too. Does it not say In the OT  that if your child talks back to you, you should stone them to death?

Huggy the Muggy Thinker Wrote:

Skeptics Annotated Bible Wrote:(21:18-21)
If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die."
To kill or not to kill
What the Bible says about children and stoning

(21:18) "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,"

(21:19) "Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city."

(21:20) "And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard."

(21:21) "And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die."

(November 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If you paid attention to the video, you'd see that the woman's brain was indeed different.

LOL

You believe she has a cat's brain?!

* Edwardo Piet whispers

pssst. Guess what. The woman believes she has a cat's brain but she actually doesn't. Her brain is different but it's not actually a cat's brain... why am I not surprised...

Psssssst. Whereas... there's actual scientific evidence that transgender people have brains that match the gender they identiify as and not the sex they are born as.

It may surprise you that there are no actual cat people................................

(November 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 2, 2016 at 5:30 am)Mathilda Wrote: Science shows that transsexual brains are more similar to the gender that they claim to be and that they are not deluded in the same way.

*emphasis mine*
wrong...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...der-brain/

Quote:“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

If you paid attention to the video, you'd see that the woman's brain was indeed different.

And you might want to look at the body of evidence rather than pick out a single study that suits what you want to say.

http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch....0158-5/ppt

Quote:Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated FtM transsexuals is closer to the pattern of subjects who share their gender identity (males) than those who share their biological sex (females). Our results provide evidence for an inherent difference in the brain structure of FtM transsexuals.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2...X3_mJTNEWN

Quote:They found significant differences between male and female brains in four regions of white matter – and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006). “It’s the first time it has been shown that the brains of female-to-male transsexual people are masculinised,” Guillamon says.

In a separate study, the team used the same technique to compare white matter in 18 male-to-female transsexual people with that in 19 males and 19 females. Surprisingly, in each transsexual person’s brain the structure of the white matter in the four regions was halfway between that of the males and females (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.11.007). “Their brains are not completely masculinised and not completely feminised, but they still feel female,” says Guillamon.

The problem is that you can't just classify the brain and being either male or female. If you did that then you'd run into trouble classifying gay people who can have a gender identity of their biological sex but can have a sexuality more like those of the opposite sex. But as usual, the religious minded such as yourself have trouble with the concept of anything that isn't binary.


Neuroscience Proves What We’ve Known All Along: Gender Exists on a Spectrum

(November 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Another nail in your coffin would be those that are gender fluid, does their brain just morph back and forth between genders?

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid

Quote:Gender fluid is a gender identity which refers to a gender which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities. Their gender can also vary at random or vary in response to different circumstances. Gender fluid people may also identify as multigender, non-binary and/or transgender.

Gender fluid people who feel that the strength of their gender(s) change(s) over time, or that they are sometimes agender, may identify as gender flux.

What relevance does that have to anything?

(November 2, 2016 at 5:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: But hey, it's nice to know you're also intolerant to the trans-specied community...

Now you're just being stupid.

When isn't he? He's denser than all the mountains of clogged up stale mayo I left in the AF Staff Room.