(June 8, 2011 at 7:24 pm)Epimethean Wrote: "Stephen hawking mainly refered to it as "the presence" but he does mention "the presence", as being God once or twice! But actually hes wrong too, it's a spirit with him, not God! But thats another story!"

Time to catch up on ol' Steve. He recently said that based on everything he has learned since writing ABHoT, he finds no evidence of heaven or god and can no longer find reason to leave such a question mark in place.

Please stop trying to use the great scientists to support your points. You are perverting their statements in order to extend your own.

Read his bio!! You will clearly read as I said!

"no evidence " right, doesn't mean he hasn't got his own assuptions!

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(June 8, 2011 at 7:37 pm)Andrastos Wrote:

(June 8, 2011 at 7:24 pm)Epimethean Wrote: "Stephen hawking mainly refered to it as "the presence" but he does mention "the presence", as being God once or twice! But actually hes wrong too, it's a spirit with him, not God! But thats another story!"

Time to catch up on ol' Steve. He recently said that based on everything he has learned since writing ABHoT, he finds no evidence of heaven or god and can no longer find reason to leave such a question mark in place.

Please stop trying to use the great scientists to support your points. You are perverting their statements in order to extend your own.

Read his bio!! You will clearly read as I said!

"no evidence " right, doesn't mean he hasn't got his own assuptions!

Unless he changed his mind after he wrote his bio! Than I take it back!

Then take it back. This was two weeks ago.

(June 8, 2011 at 7:42 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Then take it back. This was two weeks ago.

Can you supply me with Some link or something where you read this!
I'm really interested!

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(June 8, 2011 at 7:47 pm)Andrastos Wrote:

(June 8, 2011 at 7:42 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Then take it back. This was two weeks ago.

Can you supply me with Some link or something where you read this!
I'm really interested!

Also did you read his Bio by any chance?

Androstos Wrote:So many rude people here!

Can I remind you, your just doing yourself harm by doing this!

You reap what you sow!

The simple law of compensation that most people are not aware of!

I agree that they can be rude. And you too. Hell, even I can be rude. We're not a formal forum until you go to the debate thread.

What is there to reap or self-harm to be had from their being rude to you? They aren't typically seriously rude unless they think you deserve it... and glancing over the thread I can understand them not treating you quite the best

Simple laws are usually so because they are incorrect

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Bios are silly, nobody likes them. Except silly people

Andrastos:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/m...-no-heaven

I think if you are going to use Einstein's writings you really need to look into his interpretations more. Dawkin's covers this ground time and time again in his writings. the God Delusion was a top seller because of his pedantic style of writing truths: as per scripture not rewritten rubbish Theist (so called) academics manipulate them to read.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein in Albert Einstein: The Human Side

"As far as our science can reveal it"..... as pretty understandable statement at the time I think

(June 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

Androstos Wrote:So many rude people here!

Can I remind you, your just doing yourself harm by doing this!

You reap what you sow!

The simple law of compensation that most people are not aware of!

I agree that they can be rude. And you too. Hell, even I can be rude. We're not a formal forum until you go to the debate thread.

What is there to reap or self-harm to be had from their being rude to you? They aren't typically seriously rude unless they think you deserve it... and glancing over the thread I can understand them not treating you quite the best

Simple laws are usually so because they are incorrect

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Bios are silly, nobody likes them. Except silly people

"What is there to reap or self-harm to be had from their being rude to you?"
Law of compensation is all emotional based; there is a lot to be understood about it! Express or project an emotion to someone of anger or hate in some way or another, or cause suffering in your wrong doing, resides on an automatic penalty on their Soul! There is no getting away from it, as soon as you act on your negative emotion, it is done! Same as stealing, murder, lying, cheating. Anything like that! There are two way to clear Karma, repent or the law of attraction will surely bring you the same event in due time!
Somewhat good to know actually, glad you asked!

Sounds like the BS in What the Bleep Do We Know.

(June 8, 2011 at 8:37 pm)Andrastos Wrote:

(June 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

Androstos Wrote:So many rude people here!

Can I remind you, your just doing yourself harm by doing this!

You reap what you sow!

The simple law of compensation that most people are not aware of!

I agree that they can be rude. And you too. Hell, even I can be rude. We're not a formal forum until you go to the debate thread.

What is there to reap or self-harm to be had from their being rude to you? They aren't typically seriously rude unless they think you deserve it... and glancing over the thread I can understand them not treating you quite the best

Simple laws are usually so because they are incorrect

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Bios are silly, nobody likes them. Except silly people

"What is there to reap or self-harm to be had from their being rude to you?"
Law of compensation is all emotional based; there is a lot to be understood about it! Express or project an emotion to someone of anger or hate in some way or another, or cause suffering in your wrong doing, resides on an automatic penalty on their Soul! There is no getting away from it, as soon as you act on your negative emotion, it is done! Same as stealing, murder, lying, cheating. Anything like that! There are two way to clear Karma, repent or the law of attraction will surely bring you the same event in due time!
Somewhat good to know actually, glad you asked!

wow you really dont understand their actions do you. we dont believe in a "soul'. an emotion is a reactive effective the body has according to its neurological state. nothing more

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you really make this easy dont you. poor naive fella

(June 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: When you say people used to thnk lightning was attributed to God, are you referring to the God of the Bible or some other god?

Whatever Gods or Goddesses they happened to believe in.

Statler Waldorf Wrote:Mind if I ask you about your "magic" analogy a bit?

Sure, he keeps asking us to refute his facts but the only facts he has presented are how nature and math work. No one has disputed that, we've only disputed the conclusions he has drawn from how nature and math work. No matter how illogical we try to show that just attributing it all to God because he can't understand something is, he replies smugly and claims victory. My assertion that it's magic cannot be disproven any more than his claim that God did it, so the only way to show the irrationality of the argument is through the method that the conclusion was drawn from. I merely substituted magic for God in his argument, as he cannot prove that some wizard living light years away isn't controlling the structure of nature, to show the futility of his demanding 'proof' that he is wrong. As I said before, the only way to disprove such an argument is debunk the way the conclusion was reached, but he claims that the only way to prove him wrong is to come up with an equally valid alternative. I submit that magic is equally valid.