(November 9, 2016 at 10:32 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

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Ben Wallaces piece in the NY Times titled "Who Believed in Trump, and Who is to Blame? Wrote:This does not seem to be only a political event. Trump never should have gotten close. That so many Americans who are struggling with money picked Trump must mean that our version of capitalism could use some further adjustments. That so many Americans in places where the economy is on the rise also chose Trump raises the possibility that our leaders promise too much, that we expect that more is possible than really is. That such a proudly amoral and publicly hateful man could become the choice of large majorities of observant Christians suggests some weakness in our religious life and our expressions of morality. That he did not lose more support after his racism and misogyny became well-known suggests how commonplace these resentments must be, between husbands and wives and between neighbors. There was not enough individual decency to make plain Trump’s indecency. We are not so good a people as we thought.

(My bold text).

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Exactly my point when I said this in the other thread (I edited the second quote somewhat to make it fit into this context better):

(November 9, 2016 at 9:28 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: All this demonstrates is that the American public have a lot of bigots voting. Just like here in the UK with the Leave Campaign winning when many people's reasons for voting for Leave was "To stop them Muslim Paki bastards from comin' over 'ere takin' our jobs innit."

(November 9, 2016 at 9:43 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: [...]A lot of them are racists.[...] [We] can't ignore the fact many racists bigots voted for Brexit and Trump for racist reasons.

[...][Now]I'm not saying half of the country are bigots and racists. I'm saying a great many of that half are.[...]It's about calling a spade a spade.[...]Calling things as they are is important. [...]What we need is less people ignoring reality and more people calling a spade a spade. [...][many] people [are] burying their heads in the sand[...] [and I think it's about time] people [...] [got] their spades out.

(November 9, 2016 at 9:49 am)Whateverist Wrote: I liked this bit in the NY times:  

Ben Wallace\s piece in the NY Times titled "Who Believed in Trump, and Who is to Blame? Wrote:This does not seem to be only a political event. Trump never should have gotten close. That so many Americans who are struggling with money picked Trump must mean that our version of capitalism could use some further adjustments. That so many Americans in places where the economy is on the rise also chose Trump raises the possibility that our leaders promise too much, that we expect that more is possible than really is. That such a proudly amoral and publicly hateful man could become the choice of large majorities of observant Christians suggests some weakness in our religious life and our expressions of morality. That he did not lose more support after his racism and misogyny became well-known suggests how commonplace these resentments must be, between husbands and wives and between neighbors. There was not enough individual decency to make plain Trump’s indecency. We are not so good a people as we thought.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-w...s-to-blame

So who do you blame?  The DNC?  Hillary?

My first inclination is to blame the education system.  How could people not see the false promise of a strong man saying "only I can do it, trust me and don't worry about the details?"  Even more than that, there are a lot of people not doing well economically and rolling the dice on change probably beats betting on slow, incremental improvement to them.  

Or maybe human nature is simply tragic?  Why do we look for a savior anyway?  The trouble with looking for someone better than yourself to rescue you is it still depends on you to recognize the right one.

(November 9, 2016 at 10:25 am)Kingpin Wrote: I would largely blame the DNC for pushing so ardently for Hillary.  They felt Trump stood no chance and it was their best opportunity to break that ultimate glass ceiling.  If Bernie was the candidate I honestly think it would have been a landslide victory for him.  I generally vote Republican but if this was Trump vs Bernie, I may have voted Bernie.  As it was I voted off primary party because both candidates were deplorable options in my mind.  

A clear message emerged from this result though.  The majority of Americans are fed up with the establishment and this was a way to send a message.

(November 9, 2016 at 11:19 am)Aroura Wrote:

(November 9, 2016 at 10:25 am)Kingpin Wrote: I would largely blame the DNC for pushing so ardently for Hillary.  They felt Trump stood no chance and it was their best opportunity to break that ultimate glass ceiling.  If Bernie was the candidate I honestly think it would have been a landslide victory for him.  I generally vote Republican but if this was Trump vs Bernie, I may have voted Bernie.  As it was I voted off primary party because both candidates were deplorable options in my mind.  

A clear message emerged from this result though.  The majority of Americans are fed up with the establishment and this was a way to send a message.

It appears Hillary will still win the popular vote.  So not really the majority of Americans.  Just the ones on the bible and rust belt. And Florida, apparently.

(November 9, 2016 at 11:09 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Hillary: "The largest voting bloc in America is deplorable."