Trump is president; Who is to blame?

[Neo-Scholastic]

Broken down by income bracket, 52% of voters earning less than $50,000 a year – who make up 36% of the electorate – voted for Clinton, and 41% for Trump.

But among the 64% of American voters who earn more than $50,000 a year, 49% chose Trump, and 47% Clinton.

So it was the high earners rooting for Trump. Usually it's the lowest segment, being afraid for their jobs, voting for rightwing populists.

You're calling people who make $50,000 high-earners?

[Minimalist]

Simple people wanting simple solutions to complex problems fell for the bullshit of a con artist.

I'm quite glad I do not have grandchildren.

[Chad32]

Same result as when George H.W. Bush beat Al Gore, only that was by a slimmer electoral college margin.  Another reason I despise the outdated electoral college.  Candidates only focus on states they need to get to that magic 270 number and completely disregard the majority of America.

The USA is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. It was designed to avoid the concentration of power in a centralized body or dense pockets of influence.

It's not even a republic anymore. It's an oligarchy.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's the bp of the US median household income Neo. Anyone making more than that is making more than most. We're the high earners, in a low earning country.

[Rev. Rye]

I can remember last year watching Trump's announcement speech and hearing him go on a racist rant, and thinking "Wow. This motherfucker's announced his campaign for presidency and managed to torpedo it before he even left the podium." And then he won the Republican nomination, and now he's won the presidency. And he only got worse, exhibiting rampant racism, sexism, and even political scientists compared him to Hitler and Mussolini and managed to do so with astonishingly little hyperbole. And we, as a nation, embraced it, and we took fascism further than it had ever gone in America since Fritz Kuhn spoke at Madison Square Garden in 1939. And it's not because of any sort of bigger message from his campaign, because, in the sixteen months since he started, he hasn't come up with anything in the way of a bigger message, besides "make America great," but given that virtually everything he put forward as a means to that end was transparently horrible, there's virtually nothing to recommend him. So we elected him President.

At this point, it's safe to say: We're all nihilists now.

[The Grand Nudger]

Anyone found anything on the voter turnout? I would be really curious how many people actually felt like deciding on the future of their country.

Sorry, missed this one.  Record turnout in key battlegrounds, in fact...just not in the counties Clinton needed to win.

[dyresand]

Many parts to blame, First off no one really likes Hillary, Obamacare,( Unaffordable Care Act) it is costing way too much. Many did not like Obama so a vote for Hillary would mean four more years of what we had, for some that is too much to bear. Maybe trade had something to do with it. Maybe another candidate might have been better, there are a ton of reasons. There is also what I call the Manilow effect. You know some songs by Barry Manilow, you liked but were embarrassed to admit it so when pollsters asked who people would vote for they did not admit they would vote for Trump, IMO.

Like it or not we have four years of Trump, who knows maybe he will do a good job. I am not happy with the way he will shape the Supreme court. Having Pence as veep is scary. Chris Christie. Guiliani, Ugh!

Manowar

Because no one is going to vote for someone who supported NAFTA that  took jobs out of the U.S.

[abaris]

You're calling people who make $50,000 high-earners?

You're familar with the term "more than"? Cause that's what it says. Apart from 50.000 already meaning they're making approximately 4.000 a month. You think that the average truck driver or field hand or office clerk gets that kind of money?

[Drich]

I liked this bit in the NY times:  

This does not seem to be only a political event. Trump never should have gotten close. That so many Americans who are struggling with money picked Trump must mean that our version of capitalism could use some further adjustments. That so many Americans in places where the economy is on the rise also chose Trump raises the possibility that our leaders promise too much, that we expect that more is possible than really is. That such a proudly amoral and publicly hateful man could become the choice of large majorities of observant Christians suggests some weakness in our religious life and our expressions of morality. That he did not lose more support after his racism and misogyny became well-known suggests how commonplace these resentments must be, between husbands and wives and between neighbors. There was not enough individual decency to make plain Trump’s indecency. We are not so good a people as we thought.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-w...s-to-blame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S94ohyErSw

So who do you blame?  The DNC?  Hillary?

There is no blame. Are you supprized and are asking what happened?
In short the majority of voting Americans said we are tried of the way things are going. We want something completely different (and not just change in skin tone for the POTUS) but real change that affects how this nation is governed. The Fact that the media was not accuratly reporting or had no idea of what the MAJORITY of America wanted means they are no longer actually reporting the news but spinning narritive to support an agenda.

It's real simple if you report the news you simply relay what is going on. from that you can document and show a history and plot where this country is going and maybe even predict big decisions.

This is not what happened. The news media was trying to change the hearts and minds of people. those who voted clinton we so changed. However there is a large segiment of the populations who saw through the efforts of the mainstream media because they knew the media was not reporting the complete truth.

My first inclination is to blame the education system. 

What does reading writing or arithmetic have to do with voting what you think is right? Unless you mean indoctrination (being told what is right and wrong) when you say education.

How could people not see the false promise of a strong man saying "only I can do it, trust me and don't worry about the details?"

Again, your thoughts here... They reflect the spun media narrative I was talking about. Look at their websites while they are still up. Clinton has 4 talking points on her website.
1) what makes her socially 'moral.'
2) the 153 thing Donald Trump says that makes Him immoral/unqualified.
3) her resume/what she has done in her career
4) letters from republicans that can't vote for trump.

That's it!!! All the things you think is true about trump not having direction... Is actually true about clinton.

Now contrast to Trump's official site. He has a comprehensive list of Everything he wants to accomplish and in some detail briefly explains how things will work.

Clinton's efforts centered around the morality of her candidate, and trump while pointing to his version of the reasons his opponent is not a good choice for office, steadily harped on his plan for the country. Clinton did not do this with any detail why? because she did not want to make promises she was going to later break. She wrongly fully thought that the majority of the nation bought into 'pop morality' (the version of morality that you good people share where 'locker room talk' is worse than selling out the state department for personal gain.) So she became the pop morality Prophet/canidate.

The thing is, the majority of America is not looking for a 'moral leader' but a political leader who is truly different than the rest.

Even more than that, there are a lot of people not doing well economically and rolling the dice on change probably beats betting on slow, incremental improvement to them.

Then wouldn't 15.00 per hour min wage solve all their problems?

Again you mind has been warped by the narritive and not the truth.

The truth is People see the destruction of US industry, and how that obliterates places like flint or detroit or the steel manufacturing just all of what made the US a super power. It is all being sold out to places like china. Those who have not been indoctrinated to see the destruction of the industrial base of this country as a good thing, can not and will not be fooled into putting any more corrupt people in office who's only real concern is their presidential legacy and lining their own pockets.

What people like Clinton do not understand is 'we' love the idea of a country to be proud of. If it were just about the money then a sanders or clinton will always trump, a trump. It's about the life blood of the nation not about the individual. but about supporting the industrial base that made America what it was. There are still enough people left to stand up and oppose the systematic destruction of this country in order to force it into a one world economy to save itself from destruction.

Or maybe human nature is simply tragic?

 This wrongly assumes all human nature is the same.

Why do we look for a savior anyway?

You had 8 years of your 'savior' what was clinton going to save you from obama?

 The trouble with looking for someone better than yourself to rescue you is it still depends on you to recognize the right one.

This wrongly assumes all are to be 'saved.'

I truly think in the next 8 years kicking and screaming you will find yourself in a better place a better country than where you are now.

[Whateverist]

The goddamn deplorables in this country who don't know shit about anything.  The ones that...never even heard of Trump University.

I remember getting the direct mail invitation to "attend" Trump University. I realized it was just another in the long line of get-rich-in-real-estate seminars. I have very little sympathy for those few plaintiffs who thought attending a few seminars would make them instantly rich.

Besides Trump was just being smart in stripping them of their savings.  They should thank him really.