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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:05 pm
Rhythm Wrote:As do I, although I think we might be talking about entirely disparate things. The limp wristed unwillingness to stand up, loudly an vociferously, for what is supposed to be a core principle. Preferring, instead, to pander and allow hemselves to be pulled towards that opposition viewpoint. Bigots love to be able to be bigots without being called bigots on account of it. That;s all that they need, in truth, to keep being bigots and doing bigoted things. The polite and silent complicity of non-bigots. Genteel racism.
Not my problem, ofc, since I'm not a dem anyway.
You defeat racism by making fewer people racists and by making more people less racist. Like Tara Jo pointed out, overuse of condemnation robs it of its power. Many people who aren't racist but not 'woke' either, have been called racist or lumped in with racists so much that they don't take the accusation seriously anymore.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:07 pm
(November 18, 2016 at 11:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: What did forcing bigots to uncomfortably confront their bigotry, genteel or otherwise, accomplish? Oh, only the civil rights movement and the total reformation of the democratic party.
Shhh, shhh, quiet everybody, we can't upset the bigots, they might -do- something. Fuck, they might even vote for the other guy! Yeah, no shit, they might flee your party like they did then, and run to the other guys. Problem?
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:08 pm
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I don't have that ability MA. I'd suggest that anyone who thinks they do has overinflated notions of their own abilities. Racism isn't a switch that we can turn on and off. In runs deep.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:10 pm
Faith No More Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:You sound like you think they need YOUR vote. They don't.
Not sure what you mean by that.
Your disapproval of them will not bring the Senate one vote closer to turning blue in 2018. Democrats understanding Rust Belt economic concerns and at least sympathizing with them will get more votes back in formerly blue states than railing against 3rd Party voters and calling everyone who voted for Trump a racist. However satisfying and effortless the latter may be. We should be thinking about how to get the ones who are reachable on our side, not how to alienate them further.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:12 pm
(November 18, 2016 at 12:05 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Rhythm Wrote:As do I, although I think we might be talking about entirely disparate things. The limp wristed unwillingness to stand up, loudly an vociferously, for what is supposed to be a core principle. Preferring, instead, to pander and allow hemselves to be pulled towards that opposition viewpoint. Bigots love to be able to be bigots without being called bigots on account of it. That;s all that they need, in truth, to keep being bigots and doing bigoted things. The polite and silent complicity of non-bigots. Genteel racism.
Not my problem, ofc, since I'm not a dem anyway.
You defeat racism by making fewer people racists and by making more people less racist. Like Tara Jo pointed out, overuse of condemnation robs it of its power. Many people who aren't racist but not 'woke' either, have been called racist or lumped in with racists so much that they don't take the accusation seriously anymore.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:12 pm
(November 17, 2016 at 10:29 am)Napoléon Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 10:24 am)Faith No More Wrote: Right! If we don't tolerate neo-Nazis, it makes us just as bad as them!
#NazisArePeopleToo
Is every single person who voted Trump a neo-nazi?
Not everyone who voted Trump was a neo Nazi, but all neo Nazis voted Trump.
He also had the imbecile vote.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:14 pm
Rhythm Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:The racists who voted for Obama in 2012? The racists -didn't- vote for Obama, as they've been reminding us for 8 years.
You think? Trump got hardly more votes than Romney. It's the Rust Belt voters that used to vote Democrat and didn't this time, whether they stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted for Trump; that cost Clinton the election. And for the most part, they're not racists. But you're shitting in their general direction. How does that help anything?
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:14 pm
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(November 18, 2016 at 11:58 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Anomalocaris Wrote:To cater to the desire of white working man to continue to be paid well without being spanked hard and forced becoming something other, and more accurately and precisely, far better educated and far better, than the "white working man", is to mortgage the future of both this country, and of the selfsame "white working man".
The victory of trump is therefore the victory in the battle to position the US even less well in the world in 25 or 50 years.
So doing the whistle-stop circuit outside of cities is catering to white working men now? Because that would have swung this election the other way. Bill knew it, but the campaign didn't listen to him. Maybe because they were worried about catering to white working men.
No, it's necessary to placate the white working men who would not improve themselves with bribes plus smoke and mirror. The bribes have to be small, but the smoke and mirrors can be whatever it takes.
What is not acceptable is to have to pay a large bribes or those who thinks the circumstances of their birth, not the degree to which they've improved themselves, entitles them to out of merit opportunities.
Let's see how big of a bribe to the "White working men" trump will actually pay, out of the future competitiveness of this economy, to sustain his own ego and political ambition.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:14 pm
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@MA
By the by, racists don't take the racist accusation seriously anyway....lol, you might, because you're not a racist.....but they aren't you, lol. You don;t need to look any further than this thread or these boards to realize that.
Quote:You think? Trump got hardly more votes than Romney.
-and? It was enough, obviously.
Quote:It's the Rust Belt voters that used to vote Democrat and didn't this time, whether they stayed home,
yup....to the tune of millions, apparently
Quote: voted 3rd party,
yup
Quote:or voted for Trump;
I think that you're imagining this group to be larger than it was, but it hardly matters...since dems can be racists too....in case that was in question, lol?
Quote: that cost Clinton the election. And for the most part, they're not racists. But you're shitting in their general direction. How does that help anything?
I'm not shitting in the direction of anyone but trump voters and other assorted racists. Dems (and yes even repubs) who stayed home, I can understand that. 3rd party voters, again..understandable.
Trump voters.........lol, well, you know what I think about them.
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RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 12:26 pm
Rhythm Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:Because the people who voted for Obama in 2012 and didn't vote for Clinton in 2016 are the ones Democrats should be trying to get back. I wonder how large that set is, lol?
I'm hearing over nine million. In Michigan, she got 300,000 fewer votes than Obama did in 2012, 230,000 fewer in Wisconsin (Trump got exactly the same number of votes as Romney there). Clinton's black voter turnout dropped 11% compared to Obama's in 2012; she might have won North Carolina if blacks had turned out for her like they did for Obama. In Pennsylvania, the narrative of Trump stirring up working class voters in his favor has a little more going for it, he at least did better than Romney there.
I was shocked that against a man like Trump, Democrats couldn't get out the vote, even with a candidate with Clinton's unfavorable rating. I thought she was going to win. It is extremely important to understand why she lost and not make the same mistakes next time.
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