And from God's point of view, if such a thing existed, a living being, is a living being, is a living being. From 'His' point of view, a horse and a dog look as two snowflakes look to ours.

Evidence for god's existence must first be provided before anything from god's point of view could be considered.

(November 19, 2016 at 6:49 pm)The Joker Wrote: Is this the Satanist order of the "Do What Thou Wilt"?

No now you're talking about Thelema.

I'll say it one more time.

Satanism is a set of beliefs that address the concepts of individuality and fulfillment in life through pursuance of personal goals and acceptance of one's own carnal nature. If you want to know more read The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey.

(November 19, 2016 at 3:42 pm)The Joker Wrote:

(November 19, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Because you have no evidence for any invisible sky-daddies and your use of logic normally proceeds from the premise that god did x therefore...... 

When you have evidence, give us a call.

The cosmological argument is "a" evidence for God.

It's a stupid argument employed by simpletons.

(November 19, 2016 at 6:59 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Evidence for god's existence must first be provided before anything from god's point of view could be considered.

If that were true it would harder to write good science fiction and fantasy than it seems to be.

(November 19, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Whateverist Wrote: If that were true it would harder to write good science fiction and fantasy than it seems to be.

Oh, you think it is easy to write?

(November 19, 2016 at 7:02 pm)operator Wrote:

(November 19, 2016 at 6:49 pm)The Joker Wrote: Is this the Satanist order of the "Do What Thou Wilt"?

No now you're talking about Thelema.

I'll say it one more time.

Satanism is a set of beliefs that address the concepts of individuality and fulfillment in life through pursuance of personal goals and acceptance of one's own carnal nature. If you want to know more read The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey.

LaVey states that “Satanism encourages any form of sexual expression you may desire, so long as it hurts no one else.”

First Corinthians 6:18-20 commands us to “flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.”

The Satanic bible concerning the existence of the afterlife is that there is no such thing as life after death, and thus life must be lived to the full in this world. This is the premise on which many of the Satanic teachings are based, for it removes the element of accountability. Hebrews 9:27, however, indicates that “man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.” 

Eternal destruction is the only thing that will result from its false teachings. The fires of hell will be a bitter reality for those who have been taught that hell does not exist.

(November 19, 2016 at 11:47 am)The Joker Wrote: I appreciate your point, but I am having trouble accepting that common argument from atheists, when getting deep into the cosmological argument "It doesn't mean God did it, so I lack belief in God".

If you cannot prove that God did something, then the objection is valid. If you can't even prove that God exists, the objection is probably being used to counter an attempt to demonstrate that God is necessary. Which indicates that you cannot prove he exists since it would be a waste of time to imply that he is necessary if you could do so.

And since the attempts to prove that he is necessary typically come down to "you can't prove he didn't/isn't/can't" then I think it's fair to point out that the opposite is also true.

(November 19, 2016 at 2:30 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: If we are products of our environment why are we not all covered in fur still?

Are you kidding? Have you ever seen a human?



A better question would be: if we are not the products of our environment, and were in fact specially created, why are we made out of the same meat, bones and organs as every other animal?

(November 19, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 19, 2016 at 2:30 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: If we are products of our environment why are we not all covered in fur still?

Are you kidding? Have you ever seen a human?



A better question would be: if we are not the products of our environment, and were in fact specially created, why are we made out of the same meat, bones and organs as every other animal?

Thank you for the hard-on. <3