(November 23, 2016 at 10:48 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 23, 2016 at 10:43 am)The Joker Wrote: That is only *If* I am wrong so what? Its not like am going to feel the pain of loss If I am dead, because If there is no God then I am dead, that is basically it I feel no loss because when your dead you don't know. But If I am right I gain everything

And if you are wrong then you have wasted your one single finite life. You won't care about it if you are dead, but people do care about wasting their lives when they are alive.

(November 23, 2016 at 10:38 am)Mathilda Wrote: Therefore Pascal's wager doesn't work. His wager assumes that there is no cost to believing. There is.

This is going to get repetitive.

That is only *If* I am wrong so what? Its not like am going to feel the pain of loss If I am dead, because If there is no God then I am dead, that is basically it I feel no loss because when your dead you don't know. But If I am right I gain everything

102932489023798247821632452361829379012830128301928309127899999999999999999999999910000000000000000000003333333333333337891638744444444444444444447019999999999999999999999913333333333344444444444444444444444444BILLION! + Eternity in heaven having all the fun! I've got nothing to lose in believing in the christian God. But if you place it against God, and you are wrong and God does exist, you lose everything: God, eternity, heaven, infinite gain. Christianity can be easily be proven true because of archaeology and fulfilled prophecies in the Bibe etc.

The Joker wrote (joked?):

The Various Tests prove a young earth of 6000yrs, Creationist Science Ken Ham. 

• Carbon-14 in Fossils and Diamonds
  
• Carbon-14 Evidence for a Recent Global Flood and a Young Earth
  
• Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model
  
• “The Pitfalls in the Radioactive Dating Methods—The Radiocarbon Dating Method
  
• The Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Young
  
• The Earth’s Magnetic Field and the Age of the Earth
  
• “The Earth’s Magnetic Field” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past
  
• Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  
• Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  
• The Age of the Earth’s Atmosphere Estimated by its Helium Content
  
• “Helium in Rocks and in the Atmosphere”
  
• DNA in “Ancient” Bacteria
  

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Wow. You truly are a moron if you think Ken Ham is a good source for understanding science. Ham would fuck up a baking soda volcano. Try reading a few good books for a change. Learn something!

(November 23, 2016 at 10:47 am)RozKek Wrote: Joker, you're allowed to post links as long as it's relevant to the discussion.

The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth
"Locked" articles (indicated by the red padlock icons below) can be opened by magazine subscribers. Simply enter secret code from page four of your copy of !

For Additional Information:

• The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation
  
  
• The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation (pdf)
  
  
• “Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past (pdf)
  

For Additional Information:

• Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured
  
  
• “Soft-Sediment Deformation Features” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past (pdf)
  
  
• “Megasequences of North America” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past (pdf)
  

For Additional Information:

• Two: Those Not-So-Dry Bones
  
  
• More Soft Tissue in “Old” Fossils
  

For Additional Information:

• The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System
  

For Additional Information:

• The Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Young
  
  
• The Earth’s Magnetic Field and the Age of the Earth
  
  
• “The Earth’s Magnetic Field” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past (pdf)
  

For Additional Information:

• Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  
  
• Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  
  
• The Age of the Earth’s Atmosphere Estimated by its Helium Content
  
  
• “Helium in Rocks and in the Atmosphere” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past (pdf)
  

For Additional Information:

• Carbon-14 in Fossils and Diamonds
  
  
• Carbon-14 Evidence for a Recent Global Flood and a Young Earth
  
  
• Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model
  
  
• “The Pitfalls in the Radioactive Dating Methods—The Radiocarbon Dating Method” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past (pdf)
  
  
• “Carbon-14 Dating” from Thousands . . . not Billions (pdf)
  

For Additional Information:

• Comets and the Age of the Solar System
  
  
• Kuiper Belt Objects: Solution to Short-Period Comets?
  
  
• More Problems for the ‘Oort Comet Cloud’
  

For Additional Information:

• The Sea’s Missing Salt: A Dilemma for Evolutionists
  “Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past8 (pdf)
  

For Additional Information:

• Bacterial Life in Ancient Salt
  

Number one: Find Google
Number two: Ask Google the age of the Earth.
Number three: Go fuck yourself.

Your mission should you accept it, children.

Evolution explains morality. It's not magic. We evolved as a cooperate species. We did better in groups than going it alone, so people who valued others and not just themselves had an advantage. This trait compounded over huge numbers of generations.

If you think "atheists can't be moral", you're not living in reality.

(November 23, 2016 at 10:59 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Number one: Find Google
Number two: Ask Google the age of the Earth.
Number three: Go fuck yourself.

Your mission should you accept it, children.

Google can be wrong ya know?

(November 23, 2016 at 10:53 am)The Joker Wrote:

(November 23, 2016 at 10:48 am)Mathilda Wrote: And if you are wrong then you have wasted your one single finite life. You won't care about it if you are dead, but people do care about wasting their lives when they are alive.

This is going to get repetitive.

That's because you are deliberately ignoring what I am saying.

Pascal's wager says that there is nothing to lose by believing in God.

I have shown that there is something to lose regardless of whether you are correct or not.

(November 23, 2016 at 10:47 am)The Joker Wrote: Give me evidence how morals evolve?

Frans de Waal: Moral behavior in animals

It's a video with lots of footage of animals, who don't worship gods, exhibiting moral behaviour.

The field of Neurophysiology has revealed that we share very similar brain structures with other animals and that this is consistent with how we have evolved. Humans for example have a highly developed neocortex for example which is newer in evolutionary terms than structures like the cerebellum.

(November 23, 2016 at 11:00 am)robvalue Wrote: Evolution explains morality. It's not magic. We evolved as a cooperate species. We did better in groups than going it alone, so people who valued others and not just themselves had an advantage. This trait compounded over huge numbers of generations.

If you think "atheists can't be moral", you're not living in reality.

Quote:Can an atheist act in moral and ethical ways? Certainly, he can. All humans still retain the image of God upon them, even after the fall of Adam and Eve into sin. But he Cannot meet Gods criteria of being morally good in order to be saved. https://gotquestions.org/atheist-morality.html

(November 23, 2016 at 10:57 am)The Joker Wrote: The 10 Best Evidences from Science that Confirm a Young Earth

None of which is peer reviewed and published in the scientific literature.