Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
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Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
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 RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 23, 2016 at 8:37 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 8:06 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(November 23, 2016 at 2:21 am)robvalue Wrote: If they are holding my future hostage in order to blackmail me into acting a certain way or kissing up to them, that is terrorism and I can't be doing with it. These days it seems to mean when someone else does something you don't like.  RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 23, 2016 at 8:40 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 6:46 pm)The Joker Wrote: This is were Pascale Wagar argument kicks in. This presumes that we can fool God, or that we think God is only interested in appearances. On the other hand, if God treasures honesty and truth, he will reward those who chose not to acknowledge him without sufficient evidence. In which case, Pascal's Wager would advise that those who do not believe in God should not fake it. We'll get much better rooms at the Heavenly Inn and Roadside Bar because God doesn't like people who fake their devotion in the hopes of a cookie. Which means that I got to enjoy the freedom of living life on my terms and then God high-fived me as he escorted me to the "Hookers and Blow Suite."
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 23, 2016 at 9:10 pm
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(November 23, 2016 at 7:28 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(November 22, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Whateverist Wrote: [...] Hardly the point, since you won't answer, but do clarify, do you mean to say human consciousness isn't situated only in the brain, but somewhere else at well? How do you reconcile God with the nature of consciousness: where do you find "God" in the mind? Do elaborate on your description of what you think consciousness consists of, and tell us your reasons for believing so, other than introspection coupled with a general education about the brain, if that.  RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 23, 2016 at 9:16 pm
(November 23, 2016 at 7:14 pm)Balaco Wrote: I was taught that God doesn't give us undeniable proof of his existence as a test of faith...those with righteous minds would find him. Joker and any other Catholics, what are your thoughts on this? It is an obvious apologetic argument meant for the sake of saving religious face. "Oh, god will not show himself, you must have faith." The same can be stated for anyone who believes in anything without the proper evidence to support its existence. If god is capable of proving his existence, yet refuses, then that by extension of logic indicates god is not worthy of worship.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter  RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 23, 2016 at 9:54 pm
(This post was last modified: November 23, 2016 at 9:58 pm by Fireball.)
To the OP, I'd say study comparative religions. You can buy the books (it may only take one) and read them without attending classes at a university. The only difference will be that you don't have to take tests, except in your own mind. I had doubts for many years, and did my best to follow the program- lay volunteering, etc. But in the end analysis, it was difficult to let it go because of the stigma of what I had been told atheists were. If you accept other people's assessment of other people, you'll accept religion, because that's someone else's assessment of the world which could be completely wrong, or made up for some sort of personal gain. Some people believe, and ascend to high standing in a church (lower case, as I don't believe any is a "Church", in the way that the Catholics do).
If you get to thinking you’re a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else’s dog around.
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November 24, 2016 at 1:16 am
(November 23, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Jesster Wrote: Nope. Because you openly celebrate when someone gets angry at you. You have not yet seen me angry. 
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 24, 2016 at 1:28 am
(November 23, 2016 at 6:46 pm)The Joker Wrote:(November 23, 2016 at 6:36 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: All I'll say is that when I was having serious doubts, I prayed to God to show me in a way that I would know for sure that he is real. Now some 16 year later nothing has ever happened. So I can safely conclude that either: A. God doesn't want me to believe in him, or B. God doesn't exist. Unless you're placing that bet on every god it is nothing more than yammering that makes you feel better about betting on your particular gawd. Pascal was a fool when it came to religious belief for even entertaining the idea that we can choose what we believe and his wager requires us to do exactly that.
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 RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 24, 2016 at 3:05 am
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2016 at 3:13 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
(November 23, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Opoponax Wrote:(November 23, 2016 at 2:31 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: You're hanging out in the wrong or right place. I ain't here to judge. Oh Allah above you actually did some research into it. Lol. Good to know.  RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 24, 2016 at 4:13 am
It's not a matter of should or should not. But I think you would be well served to be honest with yourself about why you became a Roman Catholic, why you believe in a god that cannot be proven to exist, and why the Holy Bible is a book you think you should learn how to live from. Once you explore those things, honestly, I think you will realize that maybe you are an atheist.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love. Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll  RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
November 24, 2016 at 4:20 am
(November 22, 2016 at 6:44 pm)Balaco Wrote: Before I begin, I ask that you please avoid being hostile or anything. I'm a Roman Catholic, but I feel like many people of faith immediately jump to degrading atheists as people, rather than trying to understand their mindset. I'm heavily confused right now, and am asking both Catholic and atheist sites for their mindsets. Obviously, Catholics are going to defend Catholicism, while atheists are going to defend atheism. I ask that you please be civil about it, as this could be life-changing for me.Atheist isn't something you become just because you should or because it's modern to be an atheist. You either don't believe the religious bullshit or you do. There's no middle point. Everything else between "I'm an atheist" and "I'm a believer" is just a posture. It's pretty much the same as the immature teens in my country who blare forth "I'm gay" but when the cock comes to the ass, they suddenly become straight and run away. But they blare forth they're gay because for some reason it has become a fashing among the immature teens in my country and they think they're "cool" for saying that. Following that analogy, saying you're an atheist without actually being one won't make you cool. ![[Image: OAsWbDZ.png]](https://i.imgur.com/OAsWbDZ.png)
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