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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 6:50 pm
define prize, lol, 
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 6:55 pm
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(December 2, 2016 at 6:47 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (December 2, 2016 at 6:36 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Uh, no lol. Such is absolutely not the case. And we don't place greater premium on the life of the baby vs that of the mom in the first place regardless of if the baby is male or female.
I assume you're joking but figured I'd respond anyway just in case.
Yeah mostly joking but your own position re: mom vs baby made me prod a little.
We regard mom and baby as the same. In the cases where the mom's life is in immediate danger (which usually does not happen until later on in the pregnancy), there are ethical ways of dealing with the situation that don't involve an abortion. Such as inducing labor or doing a c-section to eliminate the threat to the mom's life, while still doing what you can for the baby as well.
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:00 pm
What about ectopic pregnancies?
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:13 pm
(December 2, 2016 at 6:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: define prize, lol,
Extra helpings of baby wings?
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:18 pm
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(December 2, 2016 at 7:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: What about ectopic pregnancies?
In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the damaged Fallopian tube can be surgically removed. The baby inside will die as a result of this, but the death is the unintended side effect of treating the medical condition, not the intended outcome/goal, as is with abortion.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:25 pm
(December 2, 2016 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the damaged Fallopian tube can be surgically removed. The baby inside will die as a result of this, but the death is the unintended side effect of the medical condition, not the intended outcome/goal, as is with abortion.
I asked because you said that "(i)n the cases where the mom's life is in immediate danger [...] there are ethical ways of dealing with the situation that don't involve an abortion." I was curious what the answer would be, though I assumed that the fetus would be aborted since the other option would kill it anyway.
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:30 pm
(December 2, 2016 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 2, 2016 at 7:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: What about ectopic pregnancies?
In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the damaged Fallopian tube can be surgically removed. The baby inside will die as a result of this, but the death is the unintended side effect of treating the medical condition, not the intended outcome/goal, as is with abortion.
Doesn't everything happen according to 'God's' plan?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:31 pm
Only the fluffy things. Unless there's some arcane lesson going on.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:40 pm
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(December 2, 2016 at 7:25 pm)Tonus Wrote: (December 2, 2016 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the damaged Fallopian tube can be surgically removed. The baby inside will die as a result of this, but the death is the unintended side effect of the medical condition, not the intended outcome/goal, as is with abortion.
I asked because you said that "(i)n the cases where the mom's life is in immediate danger [...] there are ethical ways of dealing with the situation that don't involve an abortion." I was curious what the answer would be, though I assumed that the fetus would be aborted since the other option would kill it anyway.
You are right that he would die regardless, so I can see how it would seem pointless. But when we're dealing with difficult moral situations and grey areas, the thinking is that when human life is involved it's a big deal, and so we have to address the problem by combing through the really fine details... such as the difference between specifically targeting the offspring with the intention of killing him/her, and performing a necessary medical procedure that would sadly result in his/her death as a known but unintended consequence.
(December 2, 2016 at 7:30 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (December 2, 2016 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the damaged Fallopian tube can be surgically removed. The baby inside will die as a result of this, but the death is the unintended side effect of treating the medical condition, not the intended outcome/goal, as is with abortion.
Doesn't everything happen according to 'God's' plan?
In the grand scheme, big picture sort of way, yes. But that does not mean that God is hand puppeting every single thing that happens in nature.
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RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 7:45 pm
(December 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 2, 2016 at 9:01 am)Ignorant Wrote: What do you think about Catholics holding that Mary, a woman, is the closest creature to God?
^This.
The Virgin Mary is whom we believe to basically have been the highest and most "important" (for lack of better word) Saint to ever exist.
So um yeah... the Church does not teach that women are objects. 
Then the Church are teaching the Bible wrong. Because the Bible most certainly does teach that.
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