alpha male Wrote:

downbeatplumb Wrote:Do you know why people keep saying the US is full of stupid arseholes. Its because of all the stupid arseholes in America.

Then refugees are better off going to countries that aren't full of stupid assholes.

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Seriously folks...if America, particularly under Trump, is so full of racist, xenophobic deplorables...why would you want to send Syrian refugees here?

They're better off going to countries that aren't warzones.

(December 8, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Again, not -my- problem.  

True, as you seem more interested in feeling superior than in the actual fate of refugees. If you guys really cared about refugees you'd try to sway people's opinion and build consensus.

Sway how?   Facts don't work, as you clearly indicated. Now, you seem to be circling the drain of "oh, you guys don't really care any more than I do, you're not better than me!". Well, I'd point to facts that say otherwise....but....lol?

(December 8, 2016 at 1:07 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: They're better off going to countries that aren't warzones.

They're yet better off going to countries that aren't war zones, AND aren't full of racist, xenophobic deplorables that are going to beat them up now that Trump's been elected.

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(December 8, 2016 at 1:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Sway how?   Facts don't work, as you clearly indicated.

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Pie in the sky, sure, in a perfect world that would be better.  We don't live in a perfect world, and at present, the country full of racist xenophobes is in a better position to help than the countries who aren't (is there such a country, at the moment, lol....?)...and in a better position to help than the countries who -are- helping. We're fucking them too. Course, that's probably yet another group of people you don't give a shit about.

Until their problems become our problems, I'm sure you'll care then, enough to blame them for whatever happens to them and us and the third party due to our deplorable's short sighted and fact-impervious opinions, at least.

Freinds, friends? I don't want to be friends with the deplorables Alpha. Jesus christ, is that what you want? Is that all the deplorables needed to stop being deplorables? Friends. Pathetic. Influence, we already discussed this. I'm not looking to influence your opinion (I know you're a lost cause), I'm simply looking to help you build some semblance of integrity in your own stated opinions as-is. You can go on and disagree with me forever on the issue of refugees, I welcome that, as an american, lol.........

(December 8, 2016 at 1:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Now, you seem to be circling the drain of "oh, you guys don't really care any more than I do, you're not better than me!".  Well, I'd point to facts that say otherwise....but....lol?

I've already pointed to facts to support that position - your approach. You don't reasonably expect people will come to your side by insulting them. You insult them. Therefore, you don't really care about convincing people to adopt your position.

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(December 8, 2016 at 1:12 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Pie in the sky, sure, in a perfect world that would be better.

If simply treating people well in order to persuade them is pie in the sky, then saving refugees is just ludicrous.

Quote:We don't live in a perfect world, and at present, the country full of racist xenophobes is in a better position to help than the countries who aren't (is there such a country, at the moment, lol....?)...and in a better position to help than the countries who -are- helping.  We're fucking them too.  Course, that's probably yet another group of people you don't give a shit about.

Yes, I've made it clear that I don't give a shit about people who have been calling us assholes for decades.

Quote:Until their problems become our problems, I'm sure you'll care then, enough to blame them for whatever happens to them and us and the third party due to our deplorable's short sighted and fact-impervious opinions, at least.

So you admit that refugees are a problem. What happened to your statistics?

I don't expect you to "come to my side" at all Alpha.  How many ways can I say that?

Treating you well wont make you less of a xenophobe. You know it and I know it.

Somebody says mean words about you, not you personally, ofc, they don't know you from adam, but about americans...and that justifies your "fuck em all, whatever it is" approach...and then you bitch about being called an asshole?

The refugee issue is a humanitarian crisis, ofc it;s a problem, wtf are you babbling about now? Nothing happened to the stats, they're still what they were twenty minutes ago. It's still -you- that people should fear, if they fear a terrorist attack. Like it;s -always been-...in this country, for as long as we've been gathering the data.

(December 8, 2016 at 1:08 pm)alpha male Wrote: If you guys really cared about refugees you'd try to sway people's opinion and build consensus.

What do you think I'm doing in all of my life? Sit on my ass to post here?

Seriously, you don't know shit on what I'm doing. You on the other hand present an image of a self centered asshole. If you don't want to appear like that, maybe a different approach might be in order.

And no, I don't try to sway self centered xenophobic asshole, but the ones sitting on the fence. Xenophobic assholes can stew in their hatred far as I am concerned. It doesn't make them any happier and they're their own worst enemies anyway.

(December 8, 2016 at 1:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I don't expect you to "come to my side" at all Alpha.  How many ways can I say that?

As many as you like. The fact remains that if you really wanted America to accept these refugees, you'd try to work with people instead of insulting them.

Quote:Treating you well wont make you less of a xenophobe.  You know it and I know it.  

Somebody says mean words about you, not you personally, ofc, they don't know you from adam, but about americans...and that justifies your "fuck em all, whatever it is" approach...and then you bitch about being called an asshole?  

Yep. I'm disappointed Trump hasn't brought up foreign aid. I think we need some cuts there.

Quote:The refugee issue is a humanitarian crisis, ofc it;s a problem, wtf are you babbling about now?  Nothing happened to the stats, they're still what they were twenty minutes ago.

If refugees don't cause problems in their host countries, then Europe or whoever can take them in. A lot of European countries would have negative population growth if not for immigration, and according to you these are skilled refugees.

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(December 8, 2016 at 1:24 pm)abaris Wrote: What do you think I'm doing in all of my life?

Don't know, and don't care.

OFC I;d work with people, just not you.  It'd be like asking the KKK to help me support inner city schools.  "Fuck em".  

OFC you think we need some cuts there, I bet you think we spend alot of money on it and don't get anything in return.  I'd also bet that you think that...because your opinions are immune to facts.  Especially the sorts of facts that amount to less than 1% of something.........

We're -also- below the replacement rate if not for migrants.  Not the best reason to pull in immigrants (or refugees), though.  The third world isn't a body farm.   European countries -have- been accepting refugees, unfortunately, due to our deplorables and the deplorables of others those that have accepted refugees are being overburdened as the only viable place -for- refugees to flee to.  So here it is, an opportunity to be great again, right here in our faces....and you're gonna pass...because you're afraid of phantom terrorists. It's almost as if it wasn't about making america "great" at all.......there was another slogan that seems to have more accurately captured the campaign message......remarkably similar but somehow, different.