If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too

[Minimalist]

I love how these stock 'villain' characters (i.e., uppity intellectuals) in believers' modern legends are so dim-witted that they are undone by the simplest and most simple-minded of Socratic exchanges.

It has to be simple enough for the fucktards employing them.

[Godscreated]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

You don't need to propagate cheesy modern myths when the cheesy old myths do the job so much better.

We've been through this before but, I went and checked three different translation and the word evil is better translated as calamity. You should get yourself a different translation. You should. have gone on and read verses 9,10 and 11.

GC

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Evil is wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, eating tuna and shellfish, and working on the sabbath. It's not committing genocide, holding people in slavery, stealing, lying, and raping women who don't cry out. At least according to the Bible.

[Huggy Bear]

The absence of good/love/faith/whatever is neutral. Another result of binary religious thinking.

Otherwise they are suggesting not loving something is the same as smashing it to pieces with a baseball bat.

Put in the context of morality, neutrality is evil.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You don't need to propagate cheesy modern myths when the cheesy old myths do the job so much better.

We've been through this before but, I went and checked three different translation and the word evil is better translated as calamity. You should get yourself a different translation. You should. have gone on and read verses 9,10 and 11.

GC

I'm unsure that the translation of the word as 'calamity' improves the theists' case. The Italian hotel recently buried in the avalanche certainly qualifies as a calamity, but it is also an example of what is called 'natural evil', that is to say an occurrence which visits great harm on blameless people, and does so without a human agency involved. To wit: Since humans didn't cause the avalanche, it was a natural occurrence. Since believers tend to credit God as the creator and sustainer of the natural world, this disaster falls squarely into God's camp.

So, the verse from Isaiah, whether the translation of the word in question is 'calamity' or 'evil', still puts the onus on theists to explain why God routinely destroys innocent people when he could just as easily not destroy them.

Boru

[Cyberman]

The absence of good/love/faith/whatever is neutral. Another result of binary religious thinking.

Otherwise they are suggesting not loving something is the same as smashing it to pieces with a baseball bat.

Put in the context of morality, neutrality is evil.

Then by doing nothing while a rape is being committed, or a child is being murdered as a witch, all gods are evil.

[Edwardo Piet]

I always found this argument pathetic. It's a completely false analogy. Darkness is demonstrably the absence of light. Cold is demonstrably the absence of heat. The notion of evil being the absence of good cannot be demonstrated. In fact I'd say if anything it's the other way around. To be a good person the absence of being evil... i.e. not murdering people is more important when it comes to being good than doing positively good deeds.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The absence of good/love/faith/whatever is neutral. Another result of binary religious thinking.

Otherwise they are suggesting not loving something is the same as smashing it to pieces with a baseball bat.

Put in the context of morality, neutrality is evil.

Morality is not binary either, Hugs. It is relative and subjective.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I find it interesting that the same people who say atheism is simply a lack of belief in God balk at the idea that evil is the lack of a good that ought to be.

[Cyberman]

Actually it's more about a good that is touted as being yet standing aside while evil happens.