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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 6:55 am
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(January 23, 2017 at 5:38 am)Godschild Wrote: (January 23, 2017 at 5:00 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: Wait, are you saying you are omniscient of any event (ie: you have absolute data on any event?)
(I had not been aware that humans/theists possessed omniscience of any event)
God is the omniscient one and it is through Him I can know things without doubt. Humans do not have to be omniscient they need only to rely on the One who is omniscient.
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Are you saying God has made you omniscient?
Otherwise, how have you come to know whether absolutes are possible?
How has reliance in God granted you omniscience of any event? (RELIANCE is not equal to omniscience)
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 7:21 am
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Just so you know, I'm timing this. We're past the 7 second mark.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 7:28 am
Well I'm omniscient in the fact that I went to sleep last night and woke up about two hours ago.
That counts for something, right?
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 8:02 am
(January 23, 2017 at 7:28 am)Nymphadora Wrote: Well I'm omniscient in the fact that I went to sleep last night and woke up about two hours ago.
That counts for something, right?
You can't measure the particles that comprise your bed, or those that comprise your clock, to absolute degree....
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 8:31 am
(January 23, 2017 at 8:02 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: (January 23, 2017 at 7:28 am)Nymphadora Wrote: Well I'm omniscient in the fact that I went to sleep last night and woke up about two hours ago.
That counts for something, right?
You can't measure the particles that comprise your bed, or those that comprise your clock, to absolute degree....
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 9:08 am
I haz a ruler and my sheets have a tag that says they fit a queen-sized bed, therefore your argument is invalid.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 9:33 am
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(January 22, 2017 at 10:47 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (January 22, 2017 at 1:16 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I find it interesting that the same people who say atheism is simply a lack of belief in God balk at the idea that evil is the lack of a good that ought to be. Well, for one, they are radically different things.
What! I'm outraged! Are you suggesting I made a category error! No. No, I didn't. They're the same. The same i said. 
(January 22, 2017 at 10:47 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: When a man rapes a woman, what good that should be is that a lack of?
For a start the goods lacking in the man are decency and self-discipline. Morality hinges on the concept that it means something to be human and that humans are supposed to be a certain way. If either of those two pieces are missing, then there can only ever be facts, never values.
(January 23, 2017 at 4:54 am)Godschild Wrote: (January 23, 2017 at 4:48 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: How do you believe/know/have faith that the existence of God is true/absolute, when you can't detect absolutes?
I can detect absolutely that you are a crazy person.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 23, 2017 at 2:50 pm
(January 23, 2017 at 6:55 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: (January 23, 2017 at 5:38 am)Godschild Wrote: God is the omniscient one and it is through Him I can know things without doubt. Humans do not have to be omniscient they need only to rely on the One who is omniscient.
GC
Are you saying God has made you omniscient?
Otherwise, how have you come to know whether absolutes are possible?
How has reliance in God granted you omniscience of any event? (RELIANCE is not equal to omniscience)
I said nothing about myself be omniscient, I'm informed by God himself who is omniscient.Being that He knows all things then what He says is reliable, thus I do not need to be omniscient only trusting.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 24, 2017 at 9:44 pm
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(January 23, 2017 at 2:50 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 23, 2017 at 6:55 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: Are you saying God has made you omniscient?
Otherwise, how have you come to know whether absolutes are possible?
How has reliance in God granted you omniscience of any event? (RELIANCE is not equal to omniscience)
I said nothing about myself be omniscient, I'm informed by God himself who is omniscient.Being that He knows all things then what He says is reliable, thus I do not need to be omniscient only trusting.
GC
How do you 'know' that this God you are familiar with is omniscient?
(January 23, 2017 at 4:21 am)Godschild Wrote: (January 22, 2017 at 10:47 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Well, for one, they are radically different things. For two, what does a "lack of a good that ought to be" really mean. When a man rapes a woman, what good that should be is that a lack of? The idea that evil is just a lack of good is nothing but an empty metaphor.
Good in itself is just a word without defining properties. In your example the lack of good without it's properties would make your statement true. In the case of rape you posed, the lack of "respect" would be the good that's missing. Good and evil are actions of some kind and are opposed to each other, the action of good is the opposite of evil.
Is rape really the opposite of respect? That seems like a forced antonymy. There are a lot of things lacking in the rapist, but the defining feature of the rapist is their willingness to commit such a heinous act. This is not a deficit but a surplus. I know you're taught this 'evil is the lack of good' line, but it quite frankly doesn't make any sense. Nor does it resolve what is the nature of neutral actors. They lack good, so are they evil? Nonsense.
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If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too
January 24, 2017 at 10:01 pm
"I have made everything for my own ends, even the wicked for the day of doom." Proverbs 16:4
Read that anyway they want and it still says that he created "wicked" men just so that he can make an example out of them. I wouldn't follow that even if he fell out of the sky. Pro
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