(January 23, 2017 at 9:41 pm)Orochi Wrote: And no i'm not saying people are evil because they don't do what I want I get where you even get that impression please ask for clarification of my position rather then imposing a position on me I get enough of that from theists

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Just because someone uses the word "you" in a generic internet forum reply it doesn't mean that it doesn't apply to the other 7 billion zombies on the planet.

(January 23, 2017 at 10:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 23, 2017 at 9:41 pm)Orochi Wrote: And no i'm not saying people are evil because they don't do what I want I get where you even get that impression please ask for clarification of my position rather then imposing a position on me I get enough of that from theists

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Just because someone uses the word "you" in a generic internet forum reply it doesn't mean that it doesn't apply to the other 7 billion zombies on the planet.

Could clarify this statement I'm not getting your point

(January 23, 2017 at 8:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: And who is the "we" who get to define good and evil? The fearless leader? The oppressive majority?  Do sociopaths get a say?

Nope, nope, and nope...you act as if you were unfamiliar with centuries of moral and political philosophy........just as you are unfamiliar with any value to human life, whatsoever, apart from a fairy.

(January 23, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(January 23, 2017 at 8:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: And who is the "we" who get to define good and evil? The fearless leader? The oppressive majority?  Do sociopaths get a say?

Nope, nope, and nope...you act as if you were unfamiliar with centuries of moral and political philosophy........just as you are unfamiliar with any value to human life, or any goodness...... whatsoever, apart from a fairy.

Agreed Neo

Either my magic sky pixie or (insert bad group or person here)

(January 23, 2017 at 10:29 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(January 23, 2017 at 10:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Just because someone uses the word "you" in a generic internet forum reply it doesn't mean that it doesn't apply to the other 7 billion zombies on the planet.

Could clarify this statement I'm not getting your point

Doesn't mean YOU specifically.

(January 24, 2017 at 4:23 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(January 23, 2017 at 10:29 pm)Orochi Wrote: Could clarify this statement I'm not getting your point

Doesn't mean YOU specifically.

The he should not have quoted me and should have just new post

(January 24, 2017 at 4:50 am)Orochi Wrote:

(January 24, 2017 at 4:23 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Doesn't mean YOU specifically.

The he should not have quoted me and should have just new post

'You' is used in a hypothetical unspecific sense. It's a common informal style of phrasing.

Who? Me?

(January 23, 2017 at 8:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: And who is the "we" who get to define good and evil? The fearless leader? The oppressive majority?  Do sociopaths get a say?

Depends on where you live, in a dictatorship like S Arabia it's the ruler or his cronies, in a democracy like Ireland it's a complicated system which is partly common sense, who shouts the loudest, rational thinking and learned people setting limits for everyone.

System B is far from perfect, but it's the best yet devised

Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:Pointless suffering is bad. If you have an example where it isn't, I'd like to hear it.

In purely evolutionary terms, rape can sometimes be the only effective reproduction strategy for low-status males.* We're just 'dancing to our DNA**', don't ya'know.

*Robert Wright
**Richard Dawkins

That doesn't seem to be an example of pointless suffering not being bad.

You're a believer, right? How is it moral for God to create circumstances where rape is the only effective reproductive strategy? In an indifferent universe, there's no reason to expect anything but game theory to play out, so it's not surprising that this sort of thing happens. It's only surprising if there's a theodic deity about.

In any case, the females have no obligation to allow themselves to be raped and in a social species they have multiple options to punish rapists, from being protected by the males they choose, to ganging up on rapists and killing them, depending on their ability to communicate and organize. That sort of thing tends to curtail the effectiveness of rape as a reproductive strategy.

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Show me the evidence! Prove to me scientifically with a falsifiable method that what you are saying is true! You must believe in the tooth fairy.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

Not really. But he has chosen to defend an idiotic position. He's bound to have those moments.

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Neo-Scholastic Wrote:Show me the evidence! Prove to me scientifically with a falsifiable method that what you are saying is true! You must believe in the tooth fairy.

Someone recently gave the example that Genghis Khan didn't believe in equality. So we know morality can be subjective. There are plenty of examples. It's the claim that morality is both absolute and objective that could benefit from scientific backing, because the subjectivity is amply and easily demonstrated, not least by the arguments over it.