(June 27, 2011 at 2:41 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:

(June 27, 2011 at 2:01 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Absolutely not... democracy must die here and now. In space it will be crushed utterly. Not to mention it is evil.

But a government which I formulate after crushing you all... that I could deal with

I knew I headscissored you for too long. You've gone completely mad due to lack of oxygen supply. Sorry about that.

I knew I felt violated this morning... -_-

Quote:One world government? Don't know about that, we haven't quite taken care of all the corruption in the world yet. What's to stop a world government from becoming corrupt? Mind you I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons that such an idea might not work.

If one's goal is to remove corruption in the living... nothing more than a complete purge of life will suffice. And then it will just become corrupted again.

As if corruption was a bad thing

Quote:I knew I felt violated this morning... -_-

Admit it, you enjoyed it.

Quote:If one's goal is to remove corruption in the living... nothing more than a complete purge of life will suffice. And then it will just become corrupted again.

As if corruption was a bad thing

*Attempts to translate Saerules language to English*
...FAILED...


Definitely scissored you too long.

(June 27, 2011 at 4:52 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: *Attempts to translate Saerules language to English*
...FAILED...

That's because you first have to translate it to American, and then cut that into english. It's like translating english straight to japanese: it takes a bit of adjustment

(June 27, 2011 at 3:53 am)Anymouse Wrote:

(June 27, 2011 at 3:36 am)Judas BentHer Wrote: Of course some say it is coming, which is why the European Union was formed so as to test the model and unite a small region, including the advent of the Euro as a one world governance would necessitate a singular currency. And that model is said to come to the west so as to encompass the north and south American trade blocks, in the form of the north and south American union's respectively. And that currency being the Amero.

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There is no Amero. The currency is conspiracy theory

I remember when they said that prior to the inception of the currency that is now traded by a supranational union comprising 27 member states.
However, my point did not speak to the certain inception of the North American Union nor it's currency, the Amero. It projected as to what is bandied about as to happen given the EU is already in place.
And to clarify a broad misconception that runs rampant on the Internet, the Amero is not a conspiracy theory.
It was the subject of a paper entitled, The Case for the Amero:The Economics and Politics of a North American Monetary Union. Authored by Herbert G. Grubel, Professor of Economics (Emeritus), Simon Fraser University.

From there an independent company started to mint tokens in keeping with the design the Professor described in his paper and started selling them on-line. And after that the story flourished to what it is today. However, the Amero case predated what became the fable of one north American currency.

Quote:and the Colombian city was destroyed by a volcano.

Clueless as to the import of that remark.

(June 27, 2011 at 7:28 pm)Judas BentHer Wrote:

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I remember when they said that prior to the inception of the currency that is now traded by a supranational union comprising 27 member states.
However, my point did not speak to the certain inception of the North American Union nor it's currency, the Amero. It projected as to what is bandied about as to happen given the EU is already in place.
And to clarify a broad misconception that runs rampant on the Internet, the Amero is not a conspiracy theory.
It was the subject of a paper entitled, The Case for the Amero:The Economics and Politics of a North American Monetary Union. Authored by Herbert G. Grubel, Professor of Economics (Emeritus), Simon Fraser University.

From there an independent company started to mint tokens in keeping with the design the Professor described in his paper and started selling them on-line. And after that the story flourished to what it is today. However, the Amero case predated what became the fable of one north American currency.

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Note you said "token." A private mint does this to make a point, advertise, or make money (usually the latter).

Sealand (a micronation which consists of a former gun platform off the British Coast) mints gold and silver coins; that does not make the idea of Sealand any more a state than a private mint pressing Amero coins for profit. I have a roll of specie state quarters with a reverse of two people "doing it," allegedly Bill Clinton and an office worker.

That does not mean the Mint is going to issue the "Bill Clinton, philanderer" quarter.

Quote:and the Colombian city was destroyed by a volcano. Clueless as to the import of that remark.

I noted Amero, Colombia because it is the only Amero that ever existed, other than as political conspiracy theory. The currency is named after the town. (The conspiracy runs Amero was destroyed by the volcano, so would the USA be by currency union).

The paper you cite above was written by a college professor, not a active politician (though he was briefly a Canadian MP), in a university that had such a divisive political science department they were forced to divide it up into three different departments to separate the pugilists (the professors). Have you actually "read" the paper? All the way through?

I have, before we even started this "amero" nonsense thread. http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/c...999/amero/ It may be found there. He also argues for three other methods of straightening out our finances, such as a currency board, returning to a metals-backed currency, or dollarization of other economies (noting that much of Mexico is already so). Few Fundamentalists would argue with a metals-backed solution, also in the paper. Or is it like the Bible, quote the parts that support your position and ignore those that don't or don't make any sense?

The Euro was hardly conspiracy theory; it existed as a financial trade unit long before the actual notes were placed in circulation, it was debated in every nation that adopted it and one that did not (UK). Public debate on actual proposed law changes hardly makes for a conspiracy. I am aware of the public debate; I lived in Spain during the debate there to retire the peseta. There was no conspiracy about it.

Amero conspiracy theory has been kicking around ever since that paper by an unknown professor at a little-known Canadian college who's greatest claim to fame was their professors hated each other.

But like much of the vanguard of Christian Fundamentalist though, the same folk that pile up guns in backyard arsenals while preaching "love thy neighbour" grab anything they think supports their case and ignore everything else, whether it be science, their own Bible, or unknown professors from second-rate colleges.

I note you did not take on why Liberals in Canada think the conspiracy is to take over their businesses and dismantle their public healthcare system and make tons of money privatising it, and they argue just as strenuously against a North American Union (which is also floated in the same paper) and an amero currency as the Conservatives do here. You also did not mention why Canada and Mexico (the #1 and #2 holders of our foreign debt) would be interested in tying their currencies to our sinking economy and ruin theirs, thereby.

James.

Quote:For a government on such a large scale to exist we must first lose the rights to freedom, happiness and all our rights to power and wealth

I have no idea what you mean by 'freedom. We have no right to either power or happiness,either innately or by law,at least in my country. The US declaration of independence mentions "the the pursuit of happiness" as a self evident right,along with life and 'liberty' (whatever that is). The notion is romantic and naive. As far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as an innate/self evident right.


I'll be fascinated to learn the supporting argument for the notion that our personal rights would necessarily vanish under a single government any more than they do now,at the whim of elected government.

I will be fascinated to hear the responses to my questions above (especially fascinated if I actually get any responses at all - I did not make a sound-bite post so it is probably too long for someone to critically read), particularly the ones about Canadian Liberals and after they have read the entire paper, not just the parts they "cherry pick" to show the grand conspiracy arrayed against the American people.
James.

(June 28, 2011 at 2:08 am)padraic Wrote:

Quote:For a government on such a large scale to exist we must first lose the rights to freedom, happiness and all our rights to power and wealth

I have no idea what you mean by 'freedom. We have no right to either power or happiness,either innately or by law,at least in my country. The US declaration of independence mentions "the the pursuit of happiness" as a self evident right,along with life and 'liberty' (whatever that is). The notion is romantic and naive. As far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as an innate/self evident right.


I'll be fascinated to learn the supporting argument for the notion that our personal rights would necessarily vanish under a single government any more than they do now,at the whim of elected government.

This is a fair overview of what the original thinking seems to have been:

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/Americ.../pr10.html

(June 27, 2011 at 3:13 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(June 27, 2011 at 2:32 pm)JohnDG Wrote: For a government on such a large scale to exist we must first lose the rights to freedom, happiness and all our rights to power and wealth. Human beings will cease to be anymore than property.

Really? I love these off-the-cuff bombasts. Could you quantify the scale of government at which "rights to freedom, happiness and all our rights to power and wealth" becomes lost? Could you also identify the how this scale might change with various factors that might effect your power, wealth and happiness?

Do you have money? Do you ever shop for shit you want? Are you allowed to go and do things that are pleasurable or relaxing to you? well lets say there is no money, you cant get stuff you want, and you most definenatly cannot do things that somebody told you isnt allowed. Little things makes you happy even if you dont notice it, imagine a world with no movies, tv, or any theme parks, video games. It's all gone, now you can only watch bill oriely, you live in an internment camp with your family, you cannot leave it, you cannot relax, you always work, and your never allowed to do anything to oppose your captors. You are property, no longer to be considerd human, because humans beings naturally want to gain wealth, they want to have the power to say no, and do what they want, they naturally try and do things to make them feel better or just better their situation. Well you cant in a one world government.

Im talking about the stuff your born with, not what somebody wrote on a peice of paper and said you can have.