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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 1, 2017 at 6:43 am
(February 1, 2017 at 3:52 am)MTL Wrote: (January 31, 2017 at 7:06 am)Little Rik Wrote: As far as Jesus being the son of God why not.
After all we all are the sons and daughters of God.
I have used almost the exact same wording when pointing out to my Baptist family
that Jesus might have been a demon.
the devil, after all, is said to mix lies with truth.
Maybe Jesus IS the Son of God....but, as you say, aren't we all?
So is Lucifer, come to that.
Everything that exist is God's creation but you should understand how the system works before you come to quick conclusion.
As soon as the consciousness reach an high degree and animals reincarnate into humans then the free will come into existence and the positive will have to go hand in hand with the negative.
This negative is a force that bring you down in your evolutionary struggle while the positive bring you up.
By allow the negative force to bring you down you lose part or all of your consciousness that took ages and ages to build.
This process lead you to become like an animal or worse and this is what religions in the past and in the present compare to devil, Lucifer, Satan or any other personality that they invented.
So yes there are all these funny personality in religions but in reality it is all about the loss of consciousness.
Nothing as religions say.
Once again you should be careful before you listen to what religions say. 
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 1, 2017 at 9:12 am
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(February 1, 2017 at 6:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: (February 1, 2017 at 3:52 am)MTL Wrote: I have used almost the exact same wording when pointing out to my Baptist family
that Jesus might have been a demon.
the devil, after all, is said to mix lies with truth.
Maybe Jesus IS the Son of God....but, as you say, aren't we all?
So is Lucifer, come to that.
Everything that exist is God's creation but you should understand how the system works before you come to quick conclusion.
As soon as the consciousness reach an high degree and animals reincarnate into humans then the free will come into existence and the positive will have to go hand in hand with the negative.
This negative is a force that bring you down in your evolutionary struggle while the positive bring you up.
By allow the negative force to bring you down you lose part or all of your consciousness that took ages and ages to build.
This process lead you to become like an animal or worse and this is what religions in the past and in the present compare to devil, Lucifer, Satan or any other personality that they invented.
So yes there are all these funny personality in religions but in reality it is all about the loss of consciousness.
Nothing as religions say.
Once again you should be careful before you listen to what religions say.
I don't listen to anything religions say.
Just like I can't buy into any of what you just expressed.
You are expressing a theory, just like the various religious dogmas express theories
...and, like religion, you are stating it as if it is fact, when it is only theory.
Accepting one unproven theory, as if it is fact,
instead of another theory,
is tantamount to accepting religious dogma.
I see no difference.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 1, 2017 at 9:28 am
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(February 1, 2017 at 9:12 am)MTL Wrote: (February 1, 2017 at 6:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: Everything that exist is God's creation but you should understand how the system works before you come to quick conclusion.
As soon as the consciousness reach an high degree and animals reincarnate into humans then the free will come into existence and the positive will have to go hand in hand with the negative.
This negative is a force that bring you down in your evolutionary struggle while the positive bring you up.
By allow the negative force to bring you down you lose part or all of your consciousness that took ages and ages to build.
This process lead you to become like an animal or worse and this is what religions in the past and in the present compare to devil, Lucifer, Satan or any other personality that they invented.
So yes there are all these funny personality in religions but in reality it is all about the loss of consciousness.
Nothing as religions say.
Once again you should be careful before you listen to what religions say.
I don't listen to anything religions say.
Just like I can't buy into any of what you just expressed.
You are expressing a theory, just like the various religious dogmas express theories
...and, like religion, you are stating it as if it is fact, when it is only theory.
Accepting one unproven theory, as if it is fact,
instead of another theory,
is tantamount to accepting religious dogma.
I see no difference.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 2, 2017 at 9:34 am
(February 1, 2017 at 9:12 am)MTL Wrote: (February 1, 2017 at 6:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: Everything that exist is God's creation but you should understand how the system works before you come to quick conclusion.
As soon as the consciousness reach an high degree and animals reincarnate into humans then the free will come into existence and the positive will have to go hand in hand with the negative.
This negative is a force that bring you down in your evolutionary struggle while the positive bring you up.
By allow the negative force to bring you down you lose part or all of your consciousness that took ages and ages to build.
This process lead you to become like an animal or worse and this is what religions in the past and in the present compare to devil, Lucifer, Satan or any other personality that they invented.
So yes there are all these funny personality in religions but in reality it is all about the loss of consciousness.
Nothing as religions say.
Once again you should be careful before you listen to what religions say.
I don't listen to anything religions say.
Just like I can't buy into any of what you just expressed.
You are expressing a theory, just like the various religious dogmas express theories
...and, like religion, you are stating it as if it is fact, when it is only theory.
Accepting one unproven theory, as if it is fact,
instead of another theory,
is tantamount to accepting religious dogma.
I see no difference.
There are a lot of theories MTL.
Atheism is also a theory that if proven wrong will make you feel bad for wasting entire lives for a fart of theory. 
I instead follow a theory that bring suit fruits right now.
Let us see how will all end up mate. 
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 2, 2017 at 3:15 pm
(January 6, 2017 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: I noticed that most people in the forum when talk about God both in the positive and negative take from what religions say.
It never came in their mind that what religions say may be totally different from what God (if exist at all)
may think or say.
I brought the attention to this failing time and time again but people keep on falling in the same trap so I
open a poll to see what they think regard all this.
Pretty sure no one can be as
crazy malevolent and hate filled as god can
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 3, 2017 at 9:17 am
(February 2, 2017 at 9:34 am)Little Rik Wrote: (February 1, 2017 at 9:12 am)MTL Wrote: I don't listen to anything religions say.
Just like I can't buy into any of what you just expressed.
You are expressing a theory, just like the various religious dogmas express theories
...and, like religion, you are stating it as if it is fact, when it is only theory.
Accepting one unproven theory, as if it is fact,
instead of another theory,
is tantamount to accepting religious dogma.
I see no difference.
There are a lot of theories MTL.
Atheism is also a theory that if proven wrong will make you feel bad for wasting entire lives for a fart of theory.
I instead follow a theory that bring suit fruits right now.
Let us see how will all end up mate.
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I am Agnostic. I allow for any possibility.
What I do NOT do is treat theories as if they are fact,
or state them as if they are factual.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 3, 2017 at 9:38 am
(February 3, 2017 at 9:17 am)MTL Wrote: (February 2, 2017 at 9:34 am)Little Rik Wrote: There are a lot of theories MTL.
Atheism is also a theory that if proven wrong will make you feel bad for wasting entire lives for a fart of theory.
I instead follow a theory that bring suit fruits right now.
Let us see how will all end up mate.
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I am Agnostic. I allow for any possibility.
What I do NOT do is treat theories as if they are fact,
or state them as if they are factual.
Theories can turn into facts MTL.
All you have to do is to put these theories into practice.
If the practice reflects the theory then is valid.
If not then is not valid.
However if you never try you will never know.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 3, 2017 at 10:14 am
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(February 3, 2017 at 9:38 am)Little Rik Wrote: (February 3, 2017 at 9:17 am)MTL Wrote: I am Agnostic. I allow for any possibility.
What I do NOT do is treat theories as if they are fact,
or state them as if they are factual.
Theories can turn into facts MTL.
All you have to do is to put these theories into practice.
If the practice reflects the theory then is valid.
If not then is not valid.
However if you never try you will never know.
I'm sorry but that is just inane.
Theories do NOT "turn into facts"....and it certainly does not occur by "putting them into practice".
Theories are either proven or disproven....or they simply remain theories.
Religion has been putting their theories "into practice" for thousands of years,
unchecked, but it still doesn't make that theory valid.
For a long time, people cut off the feet of the dead, buried the corpse face-down, drove a stake through the heart,
and placed an iron cage over the top of the grave...because they theorized that this would prevent the body from returning as a vampire.
And that is just one of thousands of folk practices....so many have gone on for centuries,
and they're all absurd.
Just because they put their theory into practice for a long time, didn't make it valid.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
February 3, 2017 at 10:36 am
(February 3, 2017 at 10:14 am)MTL Wrote: (February 3, 2017 at 9:38 am)Little Rik Wrote: Theories can turn into facts MTL.
All you have to do is to put these theories into practice.
If the practice reflects the theory then is valid.
If not then is not valid.
However if you never try you will never know.
I'm sorry but that is just inane.
Theories do NOT "turn into facts"....and it certainly does not occur by "putting them into practice".
Theories are either proven or disproven....or they simply remain theories.
Religion has been putting their theories "into practice" for thousands of years,
unchecked, but it still doesn't make that theory valid.
And that is just one of thousands of folk practices....so many have gone on for centuries,
and they're all absurd.
Just because they put their theory into practice for a long time, didn't make it valid.
Invalid argument MTL.
Take the story that ............ .For a long time, people cut off the feet of the dead, buried the corpse face-down, drove a stake through the heart,
and placed an iron cage over the top of the grave...because they theorized that this would prevent the body from returning as a vampire.
This so called theory was invented with a clear purpose.
Same same as the hell and all other religious crap.
Nothing to do with scientific' analysis.
The priests want to subjugate people' mind in order to pop up as the intermediaries between God and those people and by doing this they achieve that very well.
These are false theories not real scientific studied theories.
You are on the wrong track MTL. 
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