(February 2, 2017 at 6:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 6:46 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I've  never even been declared clinically alive

I'm a zombie

Prick your finger (NO!  NOT that way!!)

If the blood runs freely and red, you're alive.

You're welcome.

My fee is $US250.

Blackadder: 'No, no, Baldric. Just a little prick on your finger.'

Baldric: 'But I haven't got one there!'

Boru

(February 2, 2017 at 8:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 6:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Prick your finger (NO!  NOT that way!!)

If the blood runs freely and red, you're alive.

You're welcome.

My fee is $US250.

Blackadder:  'No, no, Baldric.  Just a little prick on your finger.'

Baldric: 'But I haven't got one there!'

Boru

I could quote Blackadder all day...

Me too.

SAUSAGE TIME!

"Have you seen any German spies around?"

"Nein."

"Nine! Well!"

"You've really worked out your banter haven't you?"

"No not really. This is different it's spontaneous and it's called wit."

"I seek the wise woman."

"The wise woman... the wise woman."

"Yes the wise woman."

"There are two things yee must know of the wise woman.... first she is.. a woman! And second she is..."

"... wise?"

"You do know her then?"

"No just a wild stab in the dark.... which incidentially is what you'll be getting if you don't start being a BIT more helpful."

"Thank you old crone here is a purse of monies... which I'm not going to give to you *runs off*"

"No just a wild stab in the dark.... which incidentally is what you'll be getting if you don't start being a BIT more helpful."

One of my favourites, along with practically anything from Lord Flashheart.

"And remember, always treat your kite like you treat your women!"

"You mean take it home on the weekends to meet your parents?"

"No, I mean get inside her three times a day and take her straight up to heaven and back!"

(February 2, 2017 at 2:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 1:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*

Exactly!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121643/



It states clearly that the phenomena occurs AFTER the CESSATION of CPR, which contradicts the OP's claim of NDE subjects:

*emphasis mine*

This is clearly NOT ALWAYS the case.

You're misreading what he's saying.

(January 21, 2017 at 11:22 am)chimp3 Wrote: This phrase always amuses me when reading accounts of "near death experiences". The subject is always declared clinically dead and yet is receiving resuscitation. That is not what happens. During a CPR/ defibrillation procedure a series of rescue breathing/ chest compressions , checking the heart rhythm to see if defibrillation is needed, and drugs are given.  This can go on for quite awhile. Then when the Doctor says "Stop!" that's it. The time is noted and now the patient is declared dead. The death certificate for example will note "Time of death 14:22" . At no time before the resuscitation is the person declared dead. If you don't believe it , get a degree in medicine or nursing and see for yourself.

Clearly when he says "always" he is using hyperbole, not a literal assertion that every NDE account contains those elements.  Simply that a lot of them do.  He's describing his impression of the NDE accounts that he has read.  Besides, how would you know what is in the accounts of NDEs which he's read?  No, you're guilty of giving an uncharitable reading of chimp3 just so that you can say, "Nuh Uh."  What you have posted doesn't address the substance of what he wrote.

If chimp doesn't mean ALWAYS, then there is absolutely no point to his OP...

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(February 2, 2017 at 6:42 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 11:46 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You're clearly wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-ohio-ma...g-doctors/

I am clearly wrong about what?

First clarify what you meant by this statement.

(January 21, 2017 at 11:22 am)chimp3 Wrote: The subject is always declared clinically dead and yet is receiving resuscitation.

Are you saying that NDE cases ALWAYS occur before CPR has ceased and the person declared dead?

Huggy, did you read the bit about: this bit amuses me...

What's that have to do with anything?

(February 3, 2017 at 12:51 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

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(February 2, 2017 at 6:42 pm)chimp3 Wrote: I am clearly wrong about what?

First clarify what you meant by this statement.

(January 21, 2017 at 11:22 am)chimp3 Wrote: The subject is always declared clinically dead and yet is receiving resuscitation.

Are you saying that NDE cases ALWAYS occur before CPR has ceased and the person declared dead?

No Mr Huggy - I am generalizing about NDE accounts. Allow me to clarify ... Nobody is ever declared clinically dead by a doctor before rescue measures.  Only after rescue measures fail.

(February 3, 2017 at 6:31 am)chimp3 Wrote: Nobody is ever declared clinically dead by a doctor before rescue measures.

I don't think anyone has claimed that was the case...

What is your stance on NDEs that occur after rescue measures have failed and the patient declared dead?

(February 3, 2017 at 7:43 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 3, 2017 at 6:31 am)chimp3 Wrote: Nobody is ever declared clinically dead by a doctor before rescue measures.

I don't think anyone has claimed that was the case...

You're still not being clear.

What is your stance on NDEs that occur after rescue measures have failed and the patient declared dead?

No NDE reveals any truth about an afterlife. I place them all into the general category of hallucinations if not outright lies. No one has convinced me otherwise.

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I do not have linking ability right now but I am reading Elizabeth Taylor's NDE account. She says she was clinically dead, rescusitated, and saw her death notice hung on the wall. Been a nurse for 25 years. Never saw a death certificate hung on a wall. I have filled out scores of them. They stay behind the desk with all the other paperwork.