Nothing. I love parents.

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I also think the universe existing is a bad thing. Lol.

But I'm glad it does so we can all have fun. Lol.

(February 6, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Morally speaking I'm an antinatalist... but I think that some things are more important than morality and parents deserve to have children. YOLO and all that jazz.

This may seem like the most contradictory and irrational and controversial thing you've ever read from me. But it's the way I am.

I think my parents committed an immoral act by giving birth to me but I'm glad they did and I think they had a right to do so. Also I think morality is overated. So what if they commited an extremely mildly immoral act in my opinion? (Merely because I think that there's a great asymmetry between pleasure and pain). Their wanting to have a child was more important. Yes I have strange views lol. Don't look at me. Lol. I'm drunk but the alcohol isn't an excuse for how I am lol.

It takes a human being to get passed the idea that immoral things™ happen..and discuss why they happened and what to do now.  So, your mommy and daddy cheated goodness and here you are...on the whole, probably a good outcome.  

Think of all the dummys breeding...........remember, it's not about the "best"...only whats left.

Basically.... I think that from a completely unbiased objective morality perspective nonexistence is most ideal because it leads to zero suffering and suffering is more morally relevant than happiness.

But I couldn't care less and think people should do what they want and have kids anyway.

Because I'm not a robot.

I don't think the universe itself is bad, but I do have a bone to pick with dynamic kinetic stability (life). It could be argued that non-living decay is the most moral way to sustain existence for as long as you can, but then you'd literally be arguing with a rock. How dare non-life spring life!

(February 6, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Basically.... I think that from a completely unbiased objective morality perspective nonexistence is most ideal because it leads to zero suffering and suffering is more morally relevant than happiness.

But I couldn't care less and think people should do what they want and have kids anyway.

Because I'm not a robot.

In the absence of existence moral condemnation or praise is irrelevent...there's nothing to condemn or praise.  A lack of suffering due to non-existence is not a lack of suffering, it's a lack of existence.  

There's also the fact that I'm extremely biased and I welcome that and embrace that rather than irrationally fight against my own irrational nature. Which would be essentially fighting against my own nature. Which is irrational. Because my nature is irrational and fighting against my nature is irrational regardless of how irrational my nature is.

Fighting against my own bias is even more irrational than accepting it and being biased. WHEN my bias is too strong to be controlled and I'm essentially banging my head against a proverbial brick wall because for starters I DON'T WANT to control my bias.

If a family member or friend wants to do or have something that I consider technically extremely midlly immoral from an objective perspective. I don't give too fucks if that's my opinion. What's most important to me is them getting what they want.

It's immoral of me, IMO, to value my friends and family above strangers. I think that's immoral. But there's no fucking way I'm not going to continue to be biased in favor of my friends and family. Especially my friends. Fuck genetics.

I'm selfish. And most of all what my selfish desires want is for other people I care about the most, my greatest friends, to have whatever they want. Regardless of morality. Provided that it's not like super criminal or something lol. BUT.... my friends would never want that.

Anyway I'm drunk. Don't hate me. Lol.

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(February 6, 2017 at 4:22 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(February 6, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Basically.... I think that from a completely unbiased objective morality perspective nonexistence is most ideal because it leads to zero suffering and suffering is more morally relevant than happiness.

But I couldn't care less and think people should do what they want and have kids anyway.

Because I'm not a robot.

In the absence of existence moral condemnation or praise is irrelevent...there's nothing to condemn or praise.  A lack of suffering due to non-existence is not a lack of suffering, it's a lack of existence.  

The nonexistence of moral relevance is identical to moral perfection as far as I'm concerned. Nonexistence=moral perfection.

It's also extremely undesirable because I'm a selfish ape.

Nonexistence is equal to moral perfection?  Really?  So...if I don't exist to take the test, I get 100% by default instead of, say..0% for non-participation?  Sweet...sign me up, I like crushing tests.  

Yeah if you don't exist you obviously don't lack anything and are therefore flawless

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(February 6, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Exian Wrote: I don't think the universe itself is bad, but I do have a bone to pick with dynamic kinetic stability (life). It could be argued that non-living decay is the most moral way to sustain existence for as long as you can, but then you'd literally be arguing with a rock. How dare non-life spring life!

Think about the horrible suffering going on in the world right now. Life isn't worth that from an objectively moral perspective. I still want life to exist because I'm selfish and want myself and my friends to be around and enjoy life and have what they want anyway.

Well, you lack existence, and by extension any metrics with which to measure success at -any- metrics.........

What does the suffering of others have to do with you, to make that particular point of comparison valid..as though one must choose between your life and the suffering of others?  What is it...exactly...that you -do- with your life.....

I think existence can never be a lack because of the asymmetry between pain and pleasure.

If I am never able to experience pleasure that's morally neutral. If i am never able to experience horrific suffering that's a morally good thing.

But... fuck morality in the ass with a rubber screwdriver because we can't deny our nature. As long as we're at least decent.