Trump...you look at what he's done, what he says... and you go...I mean, you take a country like Canada, ok? CAN-NUH-DUH. Many people are saying, and I know all these people, great people, the best. They love me. They look at my duck avatar and they just love me. But we're in big big trouble. I mean big trouble. Because you look at Trump and the dumb shit he says. I was talking to somebody, who loves me by the way, big league, and he looks at me... and he says... Trump doesn't read the EO's he signs. I go... what a loser. I don't like losers. I only like winners. But this country is a mess. A big mess, ok? Believe me.

Aaaaaand consider Trump supporters swayed. You're welcome.

Yeah... the cheap clothes we buy from bangledash and the like? The people who make them don't live particularly lovely lives. Far from the only issue with a trade agreement that gives corporations power to skirt government regulations. Might be some good stuff in that agreement... but the bad and the potentials for abuse are rampant and ugly. Granted, many troubles with it stem from the question of globalism vs nationalism... and I'm not much of a globalist beyond seeing my strawberries year round.

Sure, nobody really 'wins' in a bad enough war... but if I were to pick a horse to still be standing in the end? I'd either go America, or some shitty central african country that nobody cares about. I prefer to pick the country I live in and love.

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(February 6, 2017 at 5:18 pm)Exian Wrote: Trump...you look at what he's done, what he says... and you go...I mean, you take a country like Canada, ok? CAN-NUH-DUH. Many people are saying, and I know all these people, great people, the best. They love me. They look at my duck avatar and they just love me. But we're in big big trouble. I mean big trouble. Because you look at Trump and the dumb shit he says. I was talking to somebody, who loves me by the way, big league, and he looks at me... and he says... Trump doesn't read the EO's he signs. I go... what a loser. I don't like losers. I only like winners. But this country is a mess. A big mess, ok? Believe me.

Aaaaaand consider Trump supporters swayed. You're welcome.

Right here in river city! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qam1fbQmA_s

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(February 6, 2017 at 5:09 pm)Orochi Wrote: So no answer then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWWNyge8bO4

Got a life, be smug and impossible in your own time

(February 6, 2017 at 5:18 pm)Violet Wrote: Yeah... the cheap clothes we buy from bangledash and the like?

You mean the one's we were buying before and without TPP?

Quote:The people who make them don't live particularly lovely lives. Far from the only issue with a trade agreement that gives corporations power to skirt government regulations. Might be some good stuff in that agreement... but the bad and the potentials for abuse are rampant and ugly. Granted, many troubles with it stem from the question of globalism vs nationalism... and I'm not much of a globalist beyond seeing my strawberries year round.

Did you actually look to see what TPP entailied......?  Crucial portions of the TPP concerned collaborative and uniform workers rights and compensation between member states........

Quote:Sure, nobody really 'wins' in a bad enough war... but if I were to pick a horse to still be standing in the end? I'd either go America, or some shitty central african country that nobody cares about. I prefer to pick the country I live in and love.

Love?  I have my doubts, commie.  

1) You know there in the black? last I checked most of his business are private. and you clearly didn't get my second point

2. being the best of a barrel of bad apples is not an accomplishment

3. I'm well aware of the united states political type it still doesn't make your voting system any less absurd and when did I say I supported Clinton again ? and pointing out Clintons faults does not help trump

4. Nope viewer ratings don't mean shit and yes I will call them brain dead why shouldn't I. Because it will hurt there feelings good.

5. Then you and I are looking at a very different two weeks

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Quote:Sure, nobody really 'wins' in a bad enough war... but if I were to pick a horse to still be standing in the end? I'd either go America, or some shitty central african country that nobody cares about. I prefer to pick the country I live in and love.

You clearly love a version of your country

(February 6, 2017 at 5:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You mean the one's we were buying before and without TPP?

Yes. Buy american, hire american

It could be much worse than it already is; corporations preventing those shit countries from enforcing whatever workers laws they may ever pass, likewise shitting on our legal system in general. I'm not a fan of preventing a country from enforcing its own laws, and I'm also not a fan of enabling companies to obfuscate where their products have come from. Ain't about the polls by this point, but I'm happy enough to dedicate real time to that elsewhere some other time.

Quote:Did you actually look to see what TPP entailied......?  Crucial portions of the TPP concerned collaborative and uniform workers rights and compensation between member states........

Like 2 months ago when it was relevant and terrifying everyone and their mother? All I've got to that recently is a celebration that it's gone, over macro issues with it. If I remember correctly, there's a lot of really confusing legalese in the lot of that agreement, so I may have read excerpts of that wrong. If that's the case, then, that's great

I still believe it's a better move to speak with my wallet regarding slavery than to allow corporations to shit on the sovereignty of nations, and that the overarching nature of the thing brings us down to their level, and shits on our rights (with the potential to shit on whatever rights may ever materialize in bangledesh and the like), and most importantly: that it further enables the departure of american manufacturing and business in general (re: buy murica).

Quote:Love?  I have my doubts, commie.  

Communist... more like fuckin libertarian :puke:

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(February 6, 2017 at 3:40 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(February 6, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Violet Wrote: <snip>

Fine you want to believe a nazi manqué over reality, don't come crying to us when they cart you of to the KZ.

Wut.

(February 6, 2017 at 5:49 pm)Violet Wrote:

(February 6, 2017 at 5:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You mean the one's we were buying before and without TPP?

Yes. Buy american, hire american

You must mean mexican.....?

Quote:It could be much worse than it already is; corporations preventing those shit countries from enforcing whatever workers laws they may ever pass,

already happens.

Quote:likewise shitting on our legal system in general.

again....already happens......?

Quote:I'm not a fan of preventing a country from enforcing its own laws, and I'm also not a fan of enabling companies to obfuscate where their products have come from. Ain't about the polls by this point, but I'm happy enough to dedicate real time to that elsewhere some other time.

..........?

Quote:Like 2 months ago when it was relevant and terrifying everyone and their mother? All I've got to that recently is a celebration that it's gone, over macro issues with it. If I remember correctly, there's a lot of really confusing legalese in the lot of that agreement, so I may have read excerpts of that wrong. If that's the case, then, that's great

Not really, since...if that;s the case (which it is) we fucked the pooch for no reason at all.......

Quote:I still believe it's a better move to speak with my wallet regarding slavery than to allow corporations to shit on the sovereignty of nations, and that the overarching nature of the thing brings us down to their level, and shits on our rights (with the potential to shit on whatever rights may ever materialize in bangledesh and the like), and most importantly: that it further enables the departure of american manufacturing and business in general (re: buy murica).

By rejecting TPP you were -enabling- countries to enforce slavery in order to maximise their competitive advantages in a global marketplace........their "sovereignty" to pay people slave wages is..ofc, sacrosanct.

Quote:Communist... more like fuckin libertarian :puke:

Unlikely......being against global trade agreements is about the most anti-libertarian thing imaginable.....but, if, by "libertarian" you mean the koch fronted term in american slang for "gullible"..well......

(February 6, 2017 at 11:01 am)Violet Wrote:

(February 6, 2017 at 10:56 am)Faith No More Wrote: Donald Trump is actually two midgets in a human skin suit that sat out in the sun too long.  Bare assertions are fun!

And can it really be considered gaslighting when your victims are just lemmings ready to be led off of a cliff?

Seriously guys, though. What's up with this gaslighting thing? Did a Gaslight 2: The Redefinening happen to hit some dank theatre near me?


It's starting to sound like any time anybody disagrees with my viewpoint they gaslightening me. Have you gone mad, my husband?

Gaslighting is the attempt to make someone doubt their own perceptions of reality.

I'd say Trump qualifies. Repeating lies in an attempt to make them The Truth.

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(February 6, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Violet Wrote:

(February 6, 2017 at 2:06 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I defy you to find one actual news site saying anything of the sort. What you had was people being reasonably afraid that the man sent his Press Secretary out to the podium to say "That was the largest crowd to ever witness a presidential inauguration. Period."

There is a good amount of editorializing to be done about that kind of statement and the precedent it sets on Day One.

I've spent a long while thinking while I workin dinner about that first sentence. I had thought that you meant that I couldn't find an actual news site comparing trump to hitler or the like XD I was like, 'defy you to find one? Jesus christ the avalanche is unending!'. Little giggle, don't mind me.

So.... what this actually comes down to is a difference in perception. That his press secretary said that on day one terrifies you... and it doesn't affect me at all.

Quote:I agree. Perception is, in many people's world, their reality. But it doesn't change the polling data. The president's response to bad polling data should be to question why the polling data is bad and maybe alter his decision making in order to make the people in the country he leads approve of what he is doing, not to a priori dismiss any data that goes against the narrative that he wants to push.

For someone so wrapped up in perception, you are remarkably quick to dismiss the perception of the majority of the people in America. Because it doesn't fit your reality, I would guess.

But people do approve of what he's doing, by some polls. And people also do not approve of what he's doing, by other polls. What I will say for certain when we talk about polls is that people approve of him a heck of a lot more than people approve of Merkel or Hollande, and I will say for certain that Trump has been in office for 2 weeks and is making good on his campaign promises.

His response to his 3 million popular vote defeat was to launch a much needed investigation into voter fraud that his political opponents *had been seeking* up until he did it.

You can't say his optics aren't good, surely. Man's a master of optics

Trump, a master of optics?

WTF are you smoking?

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(February 6, 2017 at 5:10 pm)Violet Wrote:

(February 6, 2017 at 5:04 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I'm just trying to figure out whether liberals are supposed to be kale eating hippies or bomb planting anarchists...I don't want to be behind the times on my drumpfuck memes.

We conceded the pacific, and the future of trade, when we bowed out of TPP, as imperfect as it may have been.  We voluntarily made ourselves second stringers when only we could have done so, to ourselves.  Just as one factual rebuttal to your ideological examples.

I KNOW! I've been totally BTFO by it XD This election has been CRAZY @___@ 

I don't feel the same way... China needs us, and we may be on the cusp of a real relationship with Russia. If we need to make specific trade deals in the pacific with their slave labour: we can well make individual trade deals with respective countries. 

We're the richest country on Earth with a military presence that could actually go to war with the world and win... There's some serious leverage to be had if we're willing to use it. Wish we could get Mehmet in on this He'd tell us a thing or two about national pride.

Lol, we could "win against the world"?

Can I tell you a little story about a place called Iraq?

Seriously, get right with some facts. You'll think more clearly and probably talk in a smarter manner.

Newest Trump tweet attacking media he doesn't like:

Quote:The failing @nytimes writes total fiction concerning me. They have gotten it wrong for two years, and now are making up stories & sources!

I'd like him to post ONE example of the NYT fabricating sources or stories about him.

They're not failing, by the way. Their subscriptions doubled in the last year.

I don't know about anyone else, but I totally trust this guy to keep all those assholes from outsourcing jobs.

(February 6, 2017 at 8:39 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but I totally trust this guy to keep all those assholes from outsourcing jobs.

Come now, FNM. Surely you realize that The Man ™ forced small businessman Trump to use overseas wage slaves.