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RE: Whatever happened to
July 5, 2011 at 8:48 am
Once a year I went to a shop dedicated to board games and games like Magic the Gathering. They also had 2 playing fields dedicated to Warhammer and Flames of War, the latter I found very interesting to follow as it consists of miniature WW2 tanks and artillery from 3 different periods.
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 5, 2011 at 10:46 am
(July 5, 2011 at 8:48 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Once a year I went to a shop dedicated to board games and games like Magic the Gathering. They also had 2 playing fields dedicated to Warhammer and Flames of War, the latter I found very interesting to follow as it consists of miniature WW2 tanks and artillery from 3 different periods.
Sounds like a hoot! 
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm
(July 5, 2011 at 8:13 am)Epimethean Wrote: Regarding the business of inside or outside the head in games, video strips a layer of imagination from the process, just as a film does to a book. Regarding the thinking being the only sensible part of the Cartesian conditional, some would suggest it is, but others would suggest otherwise, even down to the existential quality of the identity of the thinker.
It would not be easy to convince me that "I game, therefore I am imaginative" is as necessarily valid across the spectrum. The old RPGs left far more to the mind than the current ones-by sheer nature of what might be viewed as their shortcomings.
The only difference is one you put there. You fail immersion. There is no absence of imagination in book or move, game or other game that you do not put there. Immerse yourself properly and you will imagine regardless of the world you are presented with.
Existential quality? 
Adding "imaginative" to a tripe statement doesn't make it any less tripe. You look at things with rose colored glasses as you flatly refuse to immerse yourself in an article of visual and audial presentation.
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July 5, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Every once in awhile, while reading one of your posts, its as though the breeze has died down and the surface ripples cease, providing one with a clear view of the bottom, if only for a moment.
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 5, 2011 at 10:10 pm
I think i would like to try LARP. only for the excuse to wear tights
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 6, 2011 at 12:38 am
(July 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: (July 5, 2011 at 8:13 am)Epimethean Wrote: Regarding the business of inside or outside the head in games, video strips a layer of imagination from the process, just as a film does to a book. Regarding the thinking being the only sensible part of the Cartesian conditional, some would suggest it is, but others would suggest otherwise, even down to the existential quality of the identity of the thinker.
It would not be easy to convince me that "I game, therefore I am imaginative" is as necessarily valid across the spectrum. The old RPGs left far more to the mind than the current ones-by sheer nature of what might be viewed as their shortcomings.
The only difference is one you put there. You fail immersion. There is no absence of imagination in book or move, game or other game that you do not put there. Immerse yourself properly and you will imagine regardless of the world you are presented with.
Existential quality?
Adding "imaginative" to a tripe statement doesn't make it any less tripe. You look at things with rose colored glasses as you flatly refuse to immerse yourself in an article of visual and audial presentation.
Simply untrue, but your opinion, so your imagination at work. Nice roundabout, but unconvincing here. Books require more imagination than movies, old school rpgs more imagination than computer games. Very clearly so in the lack of spoonfed visuals. No shortcomings unless Gerbers steak dinner is always to be preferred over Ruths Chris.
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 6, 2011 at 1:18 am
(July 5, 2011 at 8:48 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Once a year I went to a shop dedicated to board games and games like Magic the Gathering. They also had 2 playing fields dedicated to Warhammer and Flames of War, the latter I found very interesting to follow as it consists of miniature WW2 tanks and artillery from 3 different periods.
I used to play military board games all the times but computers have a distinct advantage.....the cat can't walk across them.
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 6, 2011 at 7:21 am
(July 6, 2011 at 12:38 am)Epimethean Wrote: Simply untrue, but your opinion, so your imagination at work. Nice roundabout, but unconvincing here. Books require more imagination than movies, old school rpgs more imagination than computer games. Very clearly so in the lack of spoonfed visuals. No shortcomings unless Gerbers steak dinner is always to be preferred over Ruths Chris.
I don't think Sae was wrong in some respect. Games can be equally thought provoking as books or table top rpg's. It's down to the people who use them that make it so, not the games/books/movies/tabletopRPG's.
You are right when you say 'your opinion', you are wrong when you say 'simply untrue'. Unless you can prove that books require more imagination than games rather than just saying it, then I might accept your statement.
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 6, 2011 at 9:01 am
My bf plays D&D with his friends. They have tried to lure me in too (by having and all ladies night), but I have yet to test it. They are quite HC and I'm such a noob, so I haven't dared to try it out..
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RE: Whatever happened to
July 6, 2011 at 9:02 am
Oh cmon, they do require more imagination. I wouldn't say they limit the amount of imagination one COULD apply, but the case of spoonfed visuals is a pretty easy one to make.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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