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Why is halal legal?

Poll: Do you think halal meat is humane?
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No.
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I'm a muslim of course I do!
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Why is halal legal?
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#51
RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Jesus Christ! I couldn't get through three seconds of that video. They basically just saw through the animal's neck while it's still alive. Did you actually post that video in defense of your practices? That's fucking sick.
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#52
RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 3:06 pm (This post was last modified: July 6, 2011 at 3:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Just a small nitpick, if they started from the other side..it would die faster. Spinal cord and all that jazz. I'm just not impressed with their technique.
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#53
RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I just posted this for others to see how it's done.

It does look a little bit cruel to the animal, but again, all sacrifices are cruel to the thing which is being sacrificed.
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RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 3:40 pm (This post was last modified: July 6, 2011 at 3:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Yep, sympathetic magic. Torture the animal to avoid torture yourself. Maybe if it bleeds out I wont, the gods may have mercy, "The blessing may be increased" Worship (large)
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July 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Slaughtering and butchering animals is always a messy business. I know, I've worked in an abattoir. The less suffering the animal goes through, the better. Halal is definitely not the best way to minimise an animals suffering, and where there's a choice about how to slaughter an animal, choosing to make it suffer more than it has to is highly unethical. Then again, muslims don't have much of a reputation for modern ethics now do they?
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RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 3:53 pm
(July 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: Slaughtering and butchering animals is always a messy business. I know, I've worked in an abattoir. The less suffering the animal goes through, the better. Halal is definitely not the best way to minimise an animals suffering, and where there's a choice about how to slaughter an animal, choosing to make it suffer more than it has to is highly unethical. Then again, muslims don't have much of a reputation for modern ethics now do they?

I agree with you, that this method of slaughtering is not the best way to minimize the suffering, but that's where you can draw the line between religious ethics and secular ethics.

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RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Rayaan, say I wanted to avoid buying 22 rounds, or I didn't want to invest in a captive bolt..I wanted to use my drywall knife to slaughter animals instead. I'm not doing this to be Halal.

Are you okay with that?

Would you be okay if I wanted to use that part of your religion to cut costs at my business?

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#58
RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 4:19 pm
(July 6, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Rayaan Wrote:
(July 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: Slaughtering and butchering animals is always a messy business. I know, I've worked in an abattoir. The less suffering the animal goes through, the better. Halal is definitely not the best way to minimise an animals suffering, and where there's a choice about how to slaughter an animal, choosing to make it suffer more than it has to is highly unethical. Then again, muslims don't have much of a reputation for modern ethics now do they?

I agree with you, that this method of slaughtering is not the best way to minimize the suffering, but that's where you can draw the line between religious ethics and secular ethics.
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So religion is your excuse to do something immoral? Well, that's disgusting.
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#59
RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 4:20 pm
(July 6, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Rayaan Wrote: ...religious ethics...

It's not really about religious ethics, but more of a lack thereof.
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RE: Why is halal legal?
July 6, 2011 at 4:29 pm
(July 6, 2011 at 3:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Would you be okay if I wanted to use that part of your religion to cut costs at my business?

Yeah, I'll be okay with that, because your profit is not my profit, and you're not doing this to make halal food either. That's just a way of cutting your cost at business.

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