(April 24, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(April 24, 2017 at 4:48 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

Therefore science is a religious product?

I think it's a legit motivation behind scientific movement.

Even the "are we alone" question is not quite atheistic.
Though I'm more than sure that cosmology had everything to do with religion. The Mayans gave a fine example.

(April 23, 2017 at 10:46 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think it is a bit of a loaded question though. It's not about "feeling the need to buy it." I believe in it bc I do genuinely think it's true.

Yep. People do things that they don't "need" to do. So, any question based on needs, which doesn't first demonstrate that there is in fact a need, is bullshit.

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(April 23, 2017 at 11:43 am)Brian37 Wrote: We are all entitled to believe what we want, that is not the purpose of this thread. This isn't a human rights issue, or a legal issue. It is a challenge to the reader to think and simply not hide behind answers like the one you just gave, one I observe from followers of every religion.

"I have my reasons" yes, and again, so what. Are they credible reasons that can be independently tested or falsified outside your own personal bias your own subjective point of view? We are all entitled to our own beliefs, but nobody is entitled to their own set of facts.

Do you apply this consistently? I get that, when a theist talks about their personal experience regarding god, an atheist might think that's your personal experience - it's in no way evidence to me.

If someone says I was born gay, or I was born a woman, but in a male body, do you challenge them in the same way?

(April 24, 2017 at 10:11 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(April 24, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Therefore science is a religious product?

I think it's a legit motivation behind scientific movement.

Even the "are we alone" question is not quite atheistic.
Though I'm more than sure that cosmology had everything to do with religion. The Mayans gave a fine example.

No, you are a Muslim, and we also have Christians here too in this thread. But even someone pointing to Buddhist writings.

Now I posted several links a few posts ago, to DEMONSTRATE, that every religion worldwide points to science when they cant flat out quote their holy writings.

It isn't a "legit motivation" it is mistaking where that motivation is really coming from.

We can see curiosity in other life, even with dogs. Put a snack or ball in one hand behind your back, and play with them, they will move their heads trying to figure out where the food/toy is. 

We can see other primates use sticks in some species, as tools to stick into termite hills to extract the termites they use for food. THAT is where our human species drive to figure out things comes from. EVOLUTION. 

Humans mistake our ability to make discoveries as being handed down to us and again, every religion falsely assumes our scientific discoveries are a result of that club alone, and every religion likes to claim to be the patent holder of human discoveries. 

Allah didn't give humans the power to invent. Yahweh did not give humans the power to invent. Buddha did not give humans the power to invent. Jesus did not give humans the power to invent. Yahweh did not give humans the power to invent. The Hindu creator God Brahama did not give humans the power to invent.

Our species learned to control fire long before any of our modern religions.  Other species as well, learn, even if they don't have our bigger brains or complex language. If other species were not capable of learning you wouldn't be able to train a dog.