(May 1, 2017 at 3:48 am)Luckie Wrote:

(April 30, 2017 at 10:14 pm)SteveII Wrote:

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First, Jesus' words have nothing to do with what you are implying. The verse is about the Law--which is the commandments written down by Moses--and clearly NOT the whole OT as you seem to think.

Most of the verses have nothing to do with God commanding anything. They clearly point out the ancient world was a very hard place. 

So all you have done is restate your question and I will simply restate my answer: it is IMPOSSIBLE for such a command to be given under the new covenant. The reason I don't give an answer is because an answer to an impossible question is meaningless.

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see above

SteveII Wrote:Your hypothetical is impossible, so an answer is just nonsense.

Steve, do you understand what a hypothetical question even is?
Because.. hypothetical questions are just that-- they're hypothetical.
The situation of --would you kill a baby if your god told you to-- does not need to align perfectly with reality (obviously) in order to have an answer at all, much less the fictional tales told in the bible. So your timey wimey flim flammy circles of deflection have zero bearing on the hypothetical question at hand.

You just don't want to answer, and you're doing so by insisting, for some outlandish reason, that hypothetical situations need to align perfectly with reality in order to have an answer at all! Which is just.. ridiculous. Just so you know, you're being ridiculous. Do you know what that means? I could ridicule you. But, I wont.

This whole you and Lek not being able to answer a simple hypothetical question (well I mean it's simple for me, I'd tell so and so god where to shove it!), is taking wayyyyy too much time and attention from the actual point I'm trying to impart upon you, and the subject of this thread. Blood sacrifice, as described in Old and New testament, and why it's even a requisite?

Your reasoning is off. If a hypothetical situation does not have to align with reality, then the answer would also not align with reality. Of what value would the question and the answer be? 
You have strayed far from the OP: atonement for sin to killing babies.

(April 30, 2017 at 9:00 pm)Luckie Wrote: So two wrongs make a right, is that your position? 

Also, show me where it says that about the devils seedling children. Might wanna tell these guys they're doin it wrong! 

I don't recall him saying, the kingdom of heaven belongs to Jewish, non devil seed children such as these..

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Where's Lek? Did Steve run off? 

Typical.

This is why I like dealing with Drich. He doesn't run off from the tough questions. Even if his answers induce full on secular terror!

Found in the parable of the wheat and weeds:
24 Then Jesus used another story to teach them. Jesus said, “God’s kingdom is like a man who planted good seed in his field. 25 That night, while everyone was asleep, the man’s enemy came and planted weeds among the wheat and then left. 26 Later, the wheat grew, and heads of grain grew on the plants. But at the same time the weeds also grew. 27 Then the man’s servants came to him and said, ‘You planted good seed in your field. Where did the weeds come from?’
28 “The man answered, ‘An enemy planted weeds.’
“The servants asked, ‘Do you want us to go and pull up the weeds?’
29 “He answered, ‘No, because when you pull up the weeds, you might also pull up the wheat. 30 Let the weeds and the wheat grow together until the harvest time. At the harvest time I will tell the workers this: First, gather the weeds and tie them together to be burned. Then gather the wheat and bring it to my barn.’”

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...and Jesus Does love the little children and he did not turn them away as they in his eyes at that point have not produced any good or bad "fruit" Christ was constantly telling disciples it is by their fruits (their deeds) you will now people not by the rank, social station or title.) Jesus loved children even though He knew who they'd grow up to be. I believe his extended love to the 'weeds' is all apart of 'let them grow together, till the harvest.'

(April 29, 2017 at 8:52 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(April 29, 2017 at 1:50 pm)Luckie Wrote: Okay Drich man thanks for the response! I'll get to it a little later.. I really would like to know SteveII and Lek's input on whether you are all on the same page regarding this question before I respond. If they've got the tenacity to reply, that is.

Your hypothetical is impossible, so an answer is just nonsense.

Dodge, dodge, weave weave...

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(April 30, 2017 at 11:01 am)Drich Wrote: I would.

Why? because I am wise enough to know that not all children are innocent, and not every creature (man or otherwise) belongs to God/is of the seed of God.

We are told by Christ the Evil one has sown his seed (children) in amoung us.

And you wonder why you've been called a sociopath...

(May 1, 2017 at 11:17 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(April 29, 2017 at 8:52 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your hypothetical is impossible, so an answer is just nonsense.

Dodge, dodge, weave weave...

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(April 30, 2017 at 11:01 am)Drich Wrote: I would.

Why? because I am wise enough to know that not all children are innocent, and not every creature (man or otherwise) belongs to God/is of the seed of God.

We are told by Christ the Evil one has sown his seed (children) in amoung us.

And you wonder why you've been called a sociopath...

You are either evil, or just plain stupid:

https://youtu.be/o70G8oZBkHU

I read Chris Kyle's book and in it he describes this scene in much greater detail than what is seen here. The kid was younger, the MO for a child bomb is for him to go into the center of the platoon like a beggar then blow himself up. This was not the only kid he had to draw down on and kill.

Evil people begat evil children, and evil children will embrace and uphold the evil of their fathers.

Wait till this north Korean thing is over and wait till some of the stories come out about what those kids did.

(May 1, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Drich Wrote: Evil people begat evil children, and evil children will embrace and uphold the evil of their fathers.

Wait till this north Korean thing is over and wait till some of the stories come out about what those kids did.

I cannot even call you an abhorrent human being, because there is nothing human about you.

You are still abhorrent, but that is due to the weight of religious lies you daily carry upon your subconscious.

(May 1, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:

(May 1, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Drich Wrote: Evil people begat evil children, and evil children will embrace and uphold the evil of their fathers.

Wait till this north Korean thing is over and wait till some of the stories come out about what those kids did.

I cannot even call you an abhorrent human being, because there is nothing human about you.

You are still abhorrent, but that is due to the weight of religious lies you daily carry upon your subconscious.

didn't watch the video huh???

Do you think the cinematic recreation here is the only time children were used to strike a devastating blow to an enemy?

Why in the holy fuck does anyone argue with drippy (or any of the other board idiots)? He's just gonna drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

(May 1, 2017 at 8:48 am)SteveII Wrote: Your reasoning is off. If a hypothetical situation does not have to align with reality, then the answer would also not align with reality. Of what value would the question and the answer be? 

The same value as every other hypothetical. You're imagining a situation to see how you would behave within that scenario.

Now, you might not think that hypothetical can occur within reality, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean that there's no answer, or nothing of value one might glean from it- in this case I'd suggest it'd give us a more comprehensive view of what you value within your moral worldview, which is instructive in a discussion on sin and god. I really can't imagine why theists are always so unwilling to engage with this specific hypothetical- and always in this specific, evasive way- other than that it presents a really bad image problem for y'all.

I know that neither answer to this question allows your beliefs to come out looking very good, but that's not the same as there not being an answer.

(May 1, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 1, 2017 at 11:17 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Dodge, dodge, weave weave...

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And you wonder why you've been called a sociopath...

You are either evil, or just plain stupid:

https://youtu.be/o70G8oZBkHU

I read Chris Kyle's book and in it he describes this scene in much greater detail than what is seen here. The kid was younger, the MO for a child bomb is for him to go into the center of the platoon like a beggar then blow himself up. This was not the only kid he had to draw down on and kill.

Evil people begat evil children, and evil children will embrace and uphold the evil of their fathers.

Wait till this north Korean thing is over and wait till some of the stories come out about what those kids did.

You are one sick puppy.

(May 2, 2017 at 4:57 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(May 1, 2017 at 8:48 am)SteveII Wrote: Your reasoning is off. If a hypothetical situation does not have to align with reality, then the answer would also not align with reality. Of what value would the question and the answer be? 

The same value as every other hypothetical. You're imagining a situation to see how you would behave within that scenario.

Now, you might not think that hypothetical can occur within reality, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean that there's no answer, or nothing of value one might glean from it- in this case I'd suggest it'd give us a more comprehensive view of what you value within your moral worldview, which is instructive in a discussion on sin and god. I really can't imagine why theists are always so unwilling to engage with this specific hypothetical- and always in this specific, evasive way- other than that it presents a really bad image problem for y'all.

I know that neither answer to this question allows your beliefs to come out looking very good, but that's not the same as there not being an answer.

Except if I believe, in this case a command from God for me to kill a baby, cannot happen in reality (not possible), then it follows that such a command--even if it was very clear to me, would in fact not be from God. So, what would I be answering? If I say no, what I really mean is that God did not issue the command. I would 100% assume I was mistaken. 

Now, if the question was if I lived in ancient times and a soldier, would I carry out the order, I don't know. In the context of a theocracy and having seen the things a person at that time would have seen (see note below), I could imagine a scenario where it was clear to me that God's judgement on the Amalikites was to be complete. 

NOTE: Other context for the time--

1. Being led by a pillar of cloud by day and fire by night
2. Crossing the Jordan on dry ground
3. Seeing the walls of Jericho fall inward all at once
4. Pagan religions (which included child sacrifice) was to be judged in the harshest possible terms.
5. The Amalikites have been singled out (in Deuteronomy) since long before the Israelites got to the promised land.
6. It was firmly believed that land was promised by the one true God and events have been supporting that belief.
7. All the people groups currently occupying the promise land had plenty of notice to move (they were not murdered in their beds). 

Not to change the subject, but I find it ironic all outrage of possibly killing a limited number of babies in the OT in a very specific context when we as a society have killed hundreds of millions--largely for convenience--and it does not phase those same people.