(May 3, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would Satan hate or be hard on His children?

Bold mine. See what Drich did there? He is implicitly referring to Satan as God. This makes a lot of sense now.

(May 3, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(May 3, 2017 at 1:06 pm)SteveII Wrote: It does NOT say that life begins at first breath. Talk about torturing verses to get a meaning that was not intended!

YOU are a clump of cell! What makes you inherently different?

I know that I am different.  If you can't discern the difference, well...

Are you struggling with the definition of inherently? 

adjective
existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inherently

(May 2, 2017 at 9:09 am)SteveII Wrote: Not to change the subject, but I find it ironic all outrage of possibly killing a limited number of babies in the OT in a very specific context when we as a society have killed hundreds of millions--largely for convenience--and it does not phase those same people.

Are you blanket claiming that atheists are pro abortion or are you talking about all your good christian buddies who send nuns off to solitaries to give birth to priest babies, or teenagers forced by their Christian parents to abort unsanctified offspring, or Christian Mormons having mass baby graves, a majority of them products of incest?

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(May 3, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 2, 2017 at 1:41 pm)Luckie Wrote: So you just assume, that every single Amelekite baby wiped from womb,

Would you assume that every single ISIS, or Taliban or North Korean Baby would grow up hating the west like so many generations before them? Damn right they will or the "good ones' will be consumed by their culture.

Quote:was destined to be weeds despite their inability to make such a choice so they died, got sent to hell having made NO choice, and that is something you can live with?

Yes.
The Choice is to repent not to abstain or keep on keeping on.

If they are too young to have made that Choice then I rest or find assurance that they Go back to the very God that loves them. If they do not belong to The Father God then they will indeed still go back to their creator.
Why would Satan hate or be hard on His children?

Problemo, without free will what's the point of any of this?? You say god wanted people to be able to choose to be with him or not. Those babies would never get the chance to choose. So what's the ppint of choosing if babies can't choose and end up with him, or people who never herd the word of God get a free pass too? 

What's this making a distinction between "good" and "bad" babies?! There is no such thing. Learned behavior and child bombers are innocents. Your heart has beer bared and it is made of stone!!

(May 3, 2017 at 3:33 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(May 3, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: I know that I am different.  If you can't discern the difference, well...

Are you struggling with the definition of inherently? 

adjective
existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inherently

Not at all. I do struggle with people playing word games.

(May 3, 2017 at 3:33 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(May 3, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: I know that I am different.  If you can't discern the difference, well...

Are you struggling with the definition of inherently? 

adjective
existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inherently

What would be an inherent difference between humans and other animals?

(May 4, 2017 at 9:00 am)Grandizer Wrote:

(May 3, 2017 at 3:33 pm)SteveII Wrote: Are you struggling with the definition of inherently? 

adjective
existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inherently

What would be an inherent difference between humans and other animals?

Consciousness (or in the case of a baby, the development toward consciousness).

What do you mean by consciousness? If you mean self awareness, there are several intelligent species who have self awareness. For instance, they pass the mirror test.

(May 3, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Luckie Wrote:

(May 2, 2017 at 9:09 am)SteveII Wrote: Not to change the subject, but I find it ironic all outrage of possibly killing a limited number of babies in the OT in a very specific context when we as a society have killed hundreds of millions--largely for convenience--and it does not phase those same people.

Are you blanket claiming that atheists are pro abortion or are you talking about all your good christian buddies who send nuns off to solitaries to give birth to priest babies, or teenagers forced by their Christian parents to abort unsanctified offspring, or Christian Mormons having mass baby graves, a majority of them products of incest?

Neither, just wondering where all the outrage is about hundreds of millions of babies actually being killed when I see post after post of a possibly true story from the OT where it is possible that some small number of actual babies were killed.

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(May 4, 2017 at 11:27 am)Chad32 Wrote: What do you mean by consciousness? If you mean self awareness, there are several intelligent species who have self awareness. For instance, they pass the mirror test.

This is what I mean:

Consciousness is a loosely defined concept that addresses the human awareness of both internal and external stimuli. This can refer to spiritual recognition, psychological understanding, medically altered states, or more modern-day concepts of life purpose, satisfaction, and self-actualization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_c...otericism)

(May 4, 2017 at 11:19 am)SteveII Wrote:

(May 4, 2017 at 9:00 am)Grandizer Wrote: What would be an inherent difference between humans and other animals?

Consciousness (or in the case of a baby, the development toward consciousness).

What if consciousness is a spectrum? Where then is the line drawn between really conscious and not really conscious? Do human babies differ from non-human animals when it comes to consciousness?

(May 4, 2017 at 11:40 am)Grandizer Wrote:

(May 4, 2017 at 11:19 am)SteveII Wrote: Consciousness (or in the case of a baby, the development toward consciousness).

What if consciousness is a spectrum? Where then is the line drawn between really conscious and not really conscious? Do human babies differ from non-human animals when it comes to consciousness?

No, because human babies are necessarily (it can be no other way) developing toward a known potential. Picking a point along the way to draw a line of value is arbitrary.