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Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin

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Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 3, 2017 at 2:49 pm
(May 3, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would Satan hate or be hard on His children?

Bold mine. See what Drich did there? He is implicitly referring to Satan as God. This makes a lot of sense now.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 3, 2017 at 3:33 pm
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 3, 2017 at 4:20 pm (This post was last modified: May 3, 2017 at 4:33 pm by Mystical.)
(May 2, 2017 at 9:09 am)SteveII Wrote: Not to change the subject, but I find it ironic all outrage of possibly killing a limited number of babies in the OT in a very specific context when we as a society have killed hundreds of millions--largely for convenience--and it does not phase those same people.

Are you blanket claiming that atheists are pro abortion or are you talking about all your good christian buddies who send nuns off to solitaries to give birth to priest babies, or teenagers forced by their Christian parents to abort unsanctified offspring, or Christian Mormons having mass baby graves, a majority of them products of incest?
(May 3, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Drich Wrote:
(May 2, 2017 at 1:41 pm)Luckie Wrote: So you just assume, that every single Amelekite baby wiped from womb,

Would you assume that every single ISIS, or Taliban or North Korean Baby would grow up hating the west like so many generations before them? Damn right they will or the "good ones' will be consumed by their culture.

Quote:was destined to be weeds despite their inability to make such a choice so they died, got sent to hell having made NO choice, and that is something you can live with?
Yes.
The Choice is to repent not to abstain or keep on keeping on.

If they are too young to have made that Choice then I rest or find assurance that they Go back to the very God that loves them. If they do not belong to The Father God then they will indeed still go back to their creator.
Why would Satan hate or be hard on His children?

Problemo, without free will what's the point of any of this?? You say god wanted people to be able to choose to be with him or not. Those babies would never get the chance to choose. So what's the ppint of choosing if babies can't choose and end up with him, or people who never herd the word of God get a free pass too? 

What's this making a distinction between "good" and "bad" babies?! There is no such thing. Learned behavior and child bombers are innocents. Your heart has beer bared and it is made of stone!!
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 4, 2017 at 8:47 am
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 4, 2017 at 9:00 am (This post was last modified: May 4, 2017 at 9:01 am by GrandizerII.)
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 4, 2017 at 11:19 am (This post was last modified: May 4, 2017 at 11:24 am by SteveII.)
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 4, 2017 at 11:27 am
What do you mean by consciousness? If you mean self awareness, there are several intelligent species who have self awareness. For instance, they pass the mirror test.
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 4, 2017 at 11:28 am (This post was last modified: May 4, 2017 at 11:30 am by SteveII.)
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 4, 2017 at 11:40 am
(May 4, 2017 at 11:19 am)SteveII Wrote:
(May 4, 2017 at 9:00 am)Grandizer Wrote: What would be an inherent difference between humans and other animals?

Consciousness (or in the case of a baby, the development toward consciousness).

What if consciousness is a spectrum? Where then is the line drawn between really conscious and not really conscious? Do human babies differ from non-human animals when it comes to consciousness?
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RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 4, 2017 at 12:11 pm
(May 4, 2017 at 11:40 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(May 4, 2017 at 11:19 am)SteveII Wrote: Consciousness (or in the case of a baby, the development toward consciousness).

What if consciousness is a spectrum? Where then is the line drawn between really conscious and not really conscious? Do human babies differ from non-human animals when it comes to consciousness?

No, because human babies are necessarily (it can be no other way) developing toward a known potential. Picking a point along the way to draw a line of value is arbitrary.
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