(May 17, 2017 at 7:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Original sin, is best described as the fact that we will all do things that are wrong if given the chance to.

While we may not agree on religion, I'm sure we all agree that no one is perfectly good and none of us have never done anything wrong.

I may not be able to say I've never done wrong, but I can say I've never sinned. Not once, ever.

(May 17, 2017 at 10:46 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 9:06 pm)Orochi Wrote: Indeed Whateverist

almost none of our reasoning capacity comes to us from birth infants are irrational, illogical, impulsive, Insensitive , creatures most if none of this innate to us we have to learn it .

But please tell me how any of that is 'sin'.  Glad I'm not obliged to sign off on that like some poor believers.

I never said it did . I was saying that morals like many things are baked entirely in .  Thus these kids are not evil they just lack control . As I repeated in a later post.

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(May 17, 2017 at 10:59 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 7:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Original sin, is best described as the fact that we will all do things that are wrong if given the chance to.

While we may not agree on religion, I'm sure we all agree that no one is perfectly good and none of us have never done anything wrong.

I may not be able to say I've never done wrong, but I can say I've never sinned. Not once, ever.

let's correct this statement

That's it's a fact we all can act in ways that are against values . That neither entails sin . Nor is the imperfection of human moral reasoning

(May 17, 2017 at 10:59 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 7:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Original sin, is best described as the fact that we will all do things that are wrong if given the chance to.

While we may not agree on religion, I'm sure we all agree that no one is perfectly good and none of us have never done anything wrong.

I may not be able to say I've never done wrong, but I can say I've never sinned. Not once, ever.

Sin is simply the religious term used for an act that is wrong. If we both agree that no person is perfectly good, we have more in common than you'd think. Regardless of whether i call it original sin or not.

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(May 17, 2017 at 11:00 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 10:46 pm)Whateverist Wrote: [quote='The Gentleman Bastard' pid='1554292' dateline='1495076351']

I may not be able to say I've never done wrong, but I can say I've never sinned. Not once, ever.

let's correct this statement

That's it's a fact we all can act in ways that are against values . That neither entails sin . Nor is the imperfection of human moral reasoning

Again, this is just a difference in semantics and terminology. When we get down to it, the fact is we agree on the basic principle here.

Hmmm . . .

has your vorlon sinned ??

(May 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 10:59 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: I may not be able to say I've never done wrong, but I can say I've never sinned. Not once, ever.

Sin is simply the religious term used for an act that is wrong. If we both agree that no person is perfectly good, we have more in common than you'd think. Regardless of whether i call it original sin or not.

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(May 17, 2017 at 11:00 pm)Orochi Wrote: let's correct this statement

That's it's a fact we all can act in ways that are against values . That neither entails sin . Nor is the imperfection of human moral reasoning

Again, this is just a difference in semantics and terminology. When we get down to it, the fact is we agree on the basic principle here.

No I fear we don't

(May 17, 2017 at 11:00 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 10:46 pm)Whateverist Wrote: But please tell me how any of that is 'sin'.  Glad I'm not obliged to sign off on that like some poor believers.

I never said it did . I was saying that morals like many things are baked entirely in .  Thus these kids are not evil they just lack control . As I repeated in a later post.

Didn't mean to imply you did. Just some unintended ambiguity.

(May 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sin is simply the religious term used for an act that is wrong.

Merriam-Webster disagrees. So does allboutgod.com.

And, I have to agree with Aurora. Original sin is among the most repugnant and morally bankrupt ideas religion has foisted upon humanity.

(May 17, 2017 at 11:13 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 11:00 pm)Orochi Wrote: I never said it did . I was saying that morals like many things are baked entirely in .  Thus these kids are not evil they just lack control . As I repeated in a later post.

Didn't mean to imply you did.  Just some unintended ambiguity.

Sorry

(May 17, 2017 at 11:16 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sin is simply the religious term used for an act that is wrong.

Merriam-Webster disagrees. So does allboutgod.com.

And, I have to agree with Aurora. Original sin is among the most repugnant and morally bankrupt ideas religion has foisted upon humanity.

Both say the same basic thing - an act that is immoral. Only difference is God/religion is in the picture.

As for original sin, is the acknowledgement that we're all bound to do something wrong at some point in our life really that bad? You just said you agreed with it. You just don't agree with calling it original sin.

(May 17, 2017 at 11:16 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(May 17, 2017 at 11:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sin is simply the religious term used for an act that is wrong.

Merriam-Webster disagrees. So does allboutgod.com.

And, I have to agree with Aurora. Original sin is among the most repugnant and morally bankrupt ideas religion has foisted upon humanity.

Indeed the idea of having broken gods laws (divine command theory ) is definitely not what I mean by values and acting in contrary to them on a realist frame work