(June 7, 2017 at 7:22 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(June 7, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Sigh  I did state why .

Yes, after I asked you to clarify. You should have started with that. I'm still not convinced, though.

(June 7, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I also I this same context called myself horrible ( and I have been in several instances) So am I  arbitrarily  calling myself horrible?

Don't care

(June 7, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yup but it's clear that acts above would hurt people. And if you can't understand why it would be hurtful. I can't help you . Because i already covered this in my posts on this thread several times.

Clear how? You're just making bald assertions and pretending it's common sense. Stop being evasive and just back up your claims already. I'm not even throwing any arguments at you. I'm just trying to get you to clarify your reasoning. Your previous posts don't help in this context, either.

I'm starting to suspect that you can't answer. Prove my assumptions wrong.

1. Well I stated it anyway . Your lack of being convinced is not my problem . I have stated my case on this thread end of story. If you can't see that link between Isis and the objections in those posts and how there are directly linked  that's also not my problem.

2. Your caring or lack of is again not problem. I have stated my objection on this thread and that objection has applied to myself on occasion (but I have remedied it ) and it applies to Isis comment it can't clearer then that.

3. I have made no assertions (unless you count the entire case I have made on this thread an assertion ) the fact you can't see how Isis comment fits into it (considering I all but state it in the second post) then again not my problem . I have been as clear as I feel I can be. And I'm rewriting my whole case again.

4. I have answered . I have been clear (in three freaking posts that were clear enough for benny ) . I'm not being evasive . So I have nothing further to prove .

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(June 7, 2017 at 7:39 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(June 7, 2017 at 4:56 am)Isis Wrote: Anyone can buy a dream catcher or any other item from another culture (not necessarily just tribes) from any retailer for whatever reason. Nobody should feel bad about owning one, regardless of where they purchased it from.

I will buy whatever I want, eat what I want, learn whatever language I want, and perform spiritual rituals or a rain dance if I damned well please.

I see nothing horrible about doing any of these things if someone wants.
Apart from I find spiritual rituals and dream catchers to be bullshit and a waste of time that is, which I suppose is kind of horrible in a way but that's a separate issue.

Then you have missed the point .

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Well I stated it anyway

But at the time, you had not. That was the point.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Your lack of being convinced is not my problem . I have stated my case on this thread end of story. If you can't see that link between Isis and the objections in those posts and how there are directly linked  that's also not my problem.

If you don't care to convince anyone, then why are you here? It seems to me like you are just here to shout at people who don't accept your side of the argument.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Your caring or lack of is again not problem.

Don't care

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I have made no assertions

Yes you have.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: the fact you can't see how Isis comment fits into it (considering I all but state it in the second post) then again not my problem .

You sure are making it a problem.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I have been as clear as I feel I can be.

As clear as you can be? So you aren't able to make it clear?

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I have answered . I have been clear (in three freaking posts that were clear enough for benny ) . I'm not being evasive . So I have nothing further to prove .

You never answered me or Isis, which is why we are even talking about this at all. I don't give a flying fuck about benny right now.

You have proven my assumptions correct. Thank you.

(June 7, 2017 at 9:15 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Well I stated it anyway

But at the time, you had not. That was the point.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Your lack of being convinced is not my problem . I have stated my case on this thread end of story. If you can't see that link between Isis and the objections in those posts and how there are directly linked  that's also not my problem.

If you don't care to convince anyone, then why are you here? It seems to me like you are just here to shout at people who don't accept your side of the argument.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Your caring or lack of is again not problem.

Don't care

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I have made no assertions

Yes you have.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: the fact you can't see how Isis comment fits into it (considering I all but state it in the second post) then again not my problem .

You sure are making it a problem.

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I have been as clear as I feel I can be.

As clear as you can be? So you aren't able to make it clear?

(June 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I have answered . I have been clear (in three freaking posts that were clear enough for benny ) . I'm not being evasive . So I have nothing further to prove .

You never answered me or Isis, which is why we are even talking about this at all. I don't give a flying fuck about benny right now.

You have proven my assumptions correct. Thank you.

1. And yet I have stated it so why is it still an issue ?

2. I'm stating my case your free to agree or not .

3. Then don't care

4. No I have not I stated my case

5. Why by stating that Isis statement fits the  objection in my post . And that it's a horrible idea.

6.  No as clear as I feel the case can be made between the comment and my posts

7.  Yes I have in my posts as they directly state my objection to Isis statement even if they are not to Isis personally  . I was pointing out that benny gets it but you don't so it's lack of clarity is yours alone .

8 .Nope I have affirmed nothing  . But you have affirmed a lot .

Are you even trying to make a point anymore, or are you just flailing because you can't? I've given you plenty of chances to explain yourself, but you've done absolutely nothing with it.

(June 7, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Jesster Wrote: Are you even trying to make a point anymore, or are you just flailing because you can't? I've given you plenty of chances to explain yourself, but you've done absolutely nothing with it.

I made my point ages ago three times in fact  . I have explained myself . I done everything with it . I'm not flailing the points been made. Your inability to connect the dots between Isis comments and my posts is there is. But that's your problem . Getting bored of going over the same points only to be answered then insist I have not answered ?.

Keep telling yourself that. At least one person agrees with you (yourself). But you said you didn't care to convince anyone, so I'm sure you're done throwing your fit at me. Thanks for moving on.

I have a dream catcher in my livingroom. Triggered

(June 7, 2017 at 11:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(June 7, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Jesster Wrote: Are you even trying to make a point anymore, or are you just flailing because you can't? I've given you plenty of chances to explain yourself, but you've done absolutely nothing with it.

I made my point ages ago three times in fact  . I have explained myself . I done everything with it . I'm not flailing the points been made. Your inability to connect the dots between Isis comments and my posts is there is. But that's your problem . Getting bored of going over the same points only to be answered then insist I have not answered ?.

Okay Tizheruk, I've read your posts and I get them.  You want to protect the dignity and culture of an oppressed population by adding some legal (or at least social/moral) restrictions to the things people not members of that population can do/wear/copy.  It's pretty rude, for example, for white people (who pretty much wiped out the indigenous peoples a couple hundred years ago) to dress as feather-headdressed "Indians" on Halloween, for example.

That being said, SJWs are pissing all over common sense and basic decency, and making it very hard to give a shit any more.  When some white douchebag goes off on me because I'm wearing a Bob Marley t-shirt or something, he will make the same argument that you have: he wants to protect black people (as if they're all fucking Jamaican) from having that aspect of their identity appropriated by me.  I like you, but I fucking HATE that guy, with his Starbucks coffee and his Apple-branded man-satchel and his love of smelling his own farts.

You know what the problem is?  I think the idea of cultural appropriation has been culturally appropriated-- every special little snowflake in the US has to find something to squawk about, as often and as loudly as possible, and people like you who have legitimate and reasonable requests get drowned out.

(June 7, 2017 at 11:56 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(June 7, 2017 at 11:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I made my point ages ago three times in fact  . I have explained myself . I done everything with it . I'm not flailing the points been made. Your inability to connect the dots between Isis comments and my posts is there is. But that's your problem . Getting bored of going over the same points only to be answered then insist I have not answered ?.

Okay Tizheruk, I've read your posts and I get them.  You want to protect the dignity and culture of an oppressed population by adding some legal (or at least social/moral) restrictions to the things people not members of that population can do/wear/copy.  It's pretty rude, for example, for white people (who pretty much wiped out the indigenous peoples a couple hundred years ago) to dress as feather-headdressed "Indians" on Halloween, for example.

That being said, SJWs are pissing all over common sense and basic decency, and making it very hard to give a shit any more.  When some white douchebag goes off on me because I'm wearing a Bob Marley t-shirt or something, he will make the same argument that you have: he wants to protect black people (as if they're all fucking Jamaican) from having that aspect of their identity appropriated by me.  I like you, but I fucking HATE that guy,  with his Starbucks coffee and his Apple-branded man-satchel and his love of smelling his own farts.

You know what the problem is?  I think the idea of cultural appropriation has been culturally appropriated-- every special little snowflake in the US has to find something to squawk about, as often and as loudly as possible, and people like you who have legitimate and reasonable requests get drowned out.

Oh I agree some people have taken it way too far(including natives). And yes it a great irony that some people who think there defending my culture are  doing the same thing they accuse others of this not helpful. Thou I will say I little interest imposing laws I think that goes to far .  I prefer education not just to non natives but also natives especially youth  about our role in maintaining our culture . There the fastest growing group in Canada and I hope through them things change. As I said thou I won't comment on specific cultures . But yes you get it.

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(June 7, 2017 at 11:26 pm)Jesster Wrote: Keep telling yourself that. At least one person agrees with you (yourself). But you said you didn't care to convince anyone, so I'm sure you're done throwing your fit at me. Thanks for moving on.

I don't need to tell myself anything  I have shown it publically. I don't care how many people agree with me my case is made. Yes i don't care to . What have I thrown? I stated my case you disagree how is that throwing? Case wise i moved on ages ago. In defending myself from your notion that i have somehow been dishonest and evasive who knows.

Done yet?