(June 12, 2017 at 9:55 am)Cyberman Wrote: As in I have personally explored and examined every particle.

Then as in physics, yes? Quarks included, yes?

(June 12, 2017 at 9:48 am)Adventurer Wrote: I'd say, all most sensible atheists are agnostic atheists.

To be a gnostic atheist is to know and study every corner of the universe to disprove that god exists.

I consider myself an agnostic atheist as the most logical position.

I wonder how gnostic or strong atheists who rate 7 or higher on Dawkins scale would go about arguing about their thinking.

In my experience the great majority of atheists are also agnostic.  It is only regarding our own certainty that we are devoid of god belief that we are gnostic.  No claims regarding the nature of that which we do not think exists are warranted, including the insistence that such could not exist.  No one knows everything.  But I personally do not find the concept of gods anymore tempting on account of considering that they cannot reasonably be ruled out.  As a practical matter, it makes very good sense to proceed without consideration of what any god would think or do.  Life is finite as is our time for contemplation.  Don't waste it on that for which there is no positive basis for belief exists.

(June 12, 2017 at 9:57 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 9:48 am)Adventurer Wrote: I'd say, all most sensible atheists are agnostic atheists.

To be a gnostic atheist is to know and study every corner of the universe to disprove that god exists.

I consider myself an agnostic atheist as the most logical position.

I wonder how gnostic or strong atheists who rate 7 or higher on Dawkins scale would go about arguing about their thinking.

In my experience the great majority of atheists are also agnostic.  It is only regarding our own certainty that we are devoid of god belief that we are gnostic.  No claims regarding the nature of that which we do not think exists are warranted, including the insistence that such could not exist.  No one knows everything.  But I personally do not find the concept of gods anymore tempting on account of considering that they cannot reasonably be ruled out.  As a practical matter, it makes very good sense to proceed without consideration of what any god would think or do.  Life is finite as is our time for contemplation.  Don't waste it on that for which there is no positive basis for belief exists.

Cyberman above has interesting counterargument, whose inspiration probably stems from his physicist-outlook - to which my somewhat physicist/reductionist one quite resonates since I was 16.

(June 12, 2017 at 9:57 am)Adventurer Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 9:55 am)Cyberman Wrote: As in I have personally explored and examined every particle.

Then as in physics, yes? Six kinds of quarks included, yes?

No. I have personally, physically, visited every particle of every matter and energy state that ever was and ever will be. I have personally dissected every spacetime event of every universe with my own hands. No gods.

(June 12, 2017 at 10:01 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 9:57 am)Adventurer Wrote: Then as in physics, yes? Six kinds of quarks included, yes?

No. I have personally, physically, visited every particle of every matter and energy state that ever was and ever will be. I have personally dissected every spacetime event of every universe with my own hands. No gods.

Cool. Can you do me a favour? Can you kindly reverse the inevitable dissipation of heat into eternal coldness and darkness, defying the second law of thermodynamics, or Entropy? Can you also curve and bend the universe to create sectional wormholes right here, so I can get a glimpse of it all in its historical glory?

Oh and btw - there are twelve kinds of quarks. Wait about a hundred and fifty years.

(June 12, 2017 at 10:03 am)Adventurer Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 10:01 am)Cyberman Wrote: No. I have personally, physically, visited every particle of every matter and energy state that ever was and ever will be. I have personally dissected every spacetime event of every universe with my own hands. No gods.

Cool. Can you do me a favour? Can you kindly reverse the inevitable dissipation of heat into eternal coldness and darkness, defying the second law of thermodynamics, or Entropy? Can you also curve and bend the universe to create sectional wormholes right here, so I can get a glimpse of it all in its historical glory?

I could. It'll cost you.

(June 12, 2017 at 10:04 am)Cyberman Wrote: Oh and btw - there are twelve kinds of quarks. Wait about a hundred and fifty years.

I thought there were like Top, Bottom, Strange, Charm, Up and Down. I'm curious - what another six are.

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(June 12, 2017 at 10:04 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 10:03 am)Adventurer Wrote: Cool. Can you do me a favour? Can you kindly reverse the inevitable dissipation of heat into eternal coldness and darkness, defying the second law of thermodynamics, or Entropy? Can you also curve and bend the universe to create sectional wormholes right here, so I can get a glimpse of it all in its historical glory?

I could. It'll cost you.

Ok. Do so in exchange for my architectural design and construction of a sweetest White Alcazar imaginable to suit your imperialistic and heavenly dreams. How about that?

Like I said - you'll have to wait. I'm not going to open myself up to a pre-emptive copyright suit.

(June 12, 2017 at 10:05 am)Adventurer Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 10:04 am)Cyberman Wrote: Oh and btw - there are twelve kinds of quarks. Wait about a hundred and fifty years.

I thought there were like Top, Bottom, Strange, Charm, Up and Down. I'm curious - what another six are.

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(June 12, 2017 at 10:04 am)Cyberman Wrote: I could. It'll cost you.

Ok. Do so in exchange for my architectural design and construction of a sweetest White Alcazar imaginable to suit your imperialistic and heavenly dreams. How about that?

I'm not that cheap, even if you are.