(July 2, 2017 at 5:36 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(July 2, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Your god is a phony as all other gods, dickhead.

What of a hypothetical (as of yet) deity that requires as a condition of Salvation, for a follower to blow Jesus out their ass ???


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Worth looking in to.  Would I have to sacrifice a goat or something?

So... that's a "no" on the goat?

Maybe a goat would blow Jesus out his ass ?

Not sure what the OP's point may be, perhaps that theists make better blind-followers of rules? No argument here.

(July 2, 2017 at 9:39 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Maybe a goat would blow Jesus out his ass ?

Ummm, I'm not sure that that is what it's called when he's boning a goat. Unless it's a male goat who just downed a 2-1/2 pound can of pork and beans.  You know how goats are.

(July 2, 2017 at 4:25 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Typical theists I encounter aren't all that different from atheists.  Atheist group rejects all Gods, individuals in the theist group not only reject 99.999% of all God claims, they also reject 80-95% of whatever their one 'special' God says/requires/forbids.

Hell, connoisseurs of bread are more diverse.  Sourdough, Wonder, Italian, rye, homemade, whole wheat!!!

If you meant most of today's Christians, you are totally right (based on my observations on ground).

I mean; I understand that a person who doesn't claim being Christian doesn't have to take seriously, if not denying, what Jesus says about the unconditional love and care towards all others, friends and enemies.
After all, all other living things are also pre-programmed (instructions already embedded in their living cells) not to live such a way.

So, to me in the least, among the various deceivers in the world, the greatest ones are those who are privileged (in order for them to serve better the high-class; religious, social and/or political) and claim being Christian.

Kerim

Religion is a tool meant to get political power.

(July 2, 2017 at 4:25 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: banana . . . .

Spelt, Cob, hard crust, soft crust, Tiger, Sodabread to think of just a few my father makes.

There's nothing "high-class" about using scientific metrics proving something. That is an objective, empirical way of proving something that can be commonly observed by the rest of us. Science has never been about a separate elite class; their claims are always open to valid dispute from anyone and are only considered proven if they can be reached through objective observation available to anyone.

On the other hand, there is something intrinsically "high-class" about religious metrics, which often involve personal internal revelations which are common only to a select few and appear to be arbitrarily absent from those who don't share the same faith. If a belief in the faith is required to gain one access to evidence of any sort as to the existence of God or the veracity of the religion's claims, then there's a select "high-class" involved — those not of the faith are excluded from the possibility of attaining relevant evidence. That is not the case with science, where the evidence is always open for all to see and nobody is excluded from observing or disputing scientific processes.

The difference between the "earthly" and "heavenly" ruling realms is that the former is able to proven through universally empirical means, while the latter is a claim forwarded by ancient scriptures and traditions completely devoid of any universal or empirical basis.