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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:12 pm
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(July 27, 2017 at 11:55 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you look like a man and have male parts, I'm not going to feel comfortable with you seeing me naked unless you are my husband or my doctor.
Right and who is suggesting that anyone who looks like a man and has male parts will be seeing you naked?
I see that you never mention any worry about lesbians seeing you naked.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:17 pm
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Lol I never said anyone was suggesting that they would see me naked.
That's bc we are not on the topic of lesbians.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:17 pm
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As usual neo you never fail to fail to make a point perhaps you should just stick to losing arguments about theism.
But the point of lesbian is not irrelevant
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:19 pm
(July 27, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol I never said anyone was suggesting that it would happen to me.
That's bc we are not on the topic of lesbians.
But if you were worried about lesbians seeing you naked then you wouldn't get naked. Which also means that people who look male with male parts wouldn't see you naked either. So why bring it up?
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:20 pm
Neo, I agree mostly. I'd add the caveat that if a certain group of people did affect the battle-readiness of a unit, but that group is able to perform other duties, they should be able to serve in those capacities. The military needs pencil pushers.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:20 pm
I was the kid who didn't take showers at the end of gym class, because I didn't want to be naked even around other guys.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:21 pm
Maybe the reason she's uncomfortable has nothing at all to do with people finding her sexually attractive? Maybe she doesn't like penises that much?
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:21 pm
(July 26, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When it comes to the military, the first priority should be getting the job done as smoothly as possible, period.
Political correctness or being "fair" shouldn't matter. There are many people who want to join the military or want to have a particularly prestigious position in the military and they can't for reasons like asthma, ADHD, diabetes, history of mental illness of any sort... pretty much any type of medical/health condition raises red flags and may disqualify someone from the military or from particular positions within it. It isn't fair, but it isn't supposed to be. It's the military. They have a job to do. Either you meet the rigorous requirements or you don't. No accommodations.
So the big question is, do transgender people being in service hinder or complicate anything in any way? If the answer is yes, then I agree with the ban. If the answer is no, then of course I disagree with it.
As an outsider, I personally I don't see why or how a transgender person would hinder anything or be any sort of liability, but I am an outsider and am aware there may be something I'm missing or not thinking about. I know there are arguments from both sides, as I've got military friends on my facebook right now saying they approve of the ban and others saying they don't - both stating their reasons why or why not. So there's obviously disagreement on this within the military community itself.
At the end of the day, the decision should be made objectively based on what's best for the military and its mission. Not based on politically correctness, and not based on any sort of bigotry against trans folks.
The answer is no. Transgender does not adversely affect the military. How can I say that with confidence? Because the british armed forces, which have a longer and rather more victory laden history than the overfunded US boys, have accepted trans people for a while and in fact encourage diversity.
Here is a link to the army LGBT forum
http://armylgbt.org.uk/
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:22 pm
The US military ahs also answered "no". It's not even an open debate. Just some crumbs to throw his lunatic base before he inevitably gets indicted. He's going to need all the support he can get.
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RE: No Trans In The Military Says Trump
July 27, 2017 at 2:23 pm
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