(August 18, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(August 18, 2017 at 4:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In reference to the bolded: 

Right, but I've repeatedly stated that the nazis/supremacists don't fall under this category, since they have already made it clear that they are racist.

You've also made it clear that you think we should look at the perspective of racists; you said so in the quote I linked.

Well then to clarify, I definitely did not mean what you think I meant. If someone already makes it clear that they are a racist (example: white supremacists, neo nazis), there is no more reason to look at their perspective. At that point, you already know what their perspective is: that a certain race is superior to another. If someone who is not one of those people says they are against removal of the statues, it is worth hearing their reasoning for it. And, if it is not a racist reason, try to understand their perspective rather than labeling them racist anyway. That's what I was saying.  

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(August 18, 2017 at 4:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As for the strawman, I honestly was not trying to do that. I feel like we are arguing because I refuse to call all these other people racist, but that's why I asked, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Perhaps you could link to the quote that made you think that, so we can be clear?

Otherwise, your "point" is truly a strawman.

I feel like this is the reason we are arguing because that's literally the only point I'm making here. I'm not saying the statues should stay up. I'm not saying the people who want them down don't have a good reason. I'm just saying that I'm not going to call someone a racist simply because they don't view the civil war as a war about slavery and thus don't think the statues should come down.

(August 18, 2017 at 5:54 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(August 18, 2017 at 5:25 pm)Thena323 Wrote: I'd say these are just brain-damaged Negroes; Probably a result of licking too many goddamned boots.
Of course, you'd probably describe any one these damaged, deficient Sambos as one of the "good ones".

We'll just agree to disagree!

Damn, Thena. That was a pretty bigoted thing to say. I never would have expected that from you. I always thought you were a nice person, even though we do disagree on a lot of things. 

No. They're not Sambos, they're not Uncle Toms and they're not Step'n Fetches. These are Southerners who love their culture and heritage.

Oh, dear...you didn't think I was one those good niggers did you?
That was pretty silly of you, ATheist!

I mean, c'mon man...Give it some thought.

And yes. They are in fact, Uncle Toms of the highest order. 
Tis unfortunate. 
But what's to be done, really? There'll always be a few.

(August 18, 2017 at 6:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I feel like this is the reason we are arguing 

......you're arguing...because you took it upon yourself to defend the bigots, CL. You didn;t have to, no one made you, and for whatever reason..you seem to think that you're doing The Right Thing™.

How convenient that must be for the bigots.

(August 18, 2017 at 6:13 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(August 18, 2017 at 5:54 pm)A Theist Wrote: Damn, Thena. That was a pretty bigoted thing to say. I never would have expected that from you. I always thought you were a nice person, even though we do disagree on a lot of things. 

No. They're not Sambos, they're not Uncle Toms and they're not Step'n Fetches. These are Southerners who love their culture and heritage.

Oh, dear...you didn't think I was one those good niggers didn't you?
That was pretty silly of you, ATheist!

I mean, c'mon man...Give it some thought.

And yes. They are in fact, Uncle Toms of the highest order. 
Tis unfortunate. 
But what's to be done, really? There'll always be a few.

Oops, he stepped in that one. He certainly wants you to be a good "n*gger". 

Always important to know your audience. Yea why don't you go back to sitting at the back of the bus huh? I'ts like you have a problem not coddling his insecurities.

Here's where he says, "You took that out of context."

(August 18, 2017 at 6:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm just saying that I'm not going to call someone a racist simply because they don't view the civil war as a war about slavery and thus don't think the statues should come down.

And I'm asking you to link to the post which made you think that was the case. You can either do it or you cannot. And if you cannot, perhaps you should stop levying a baseless charge.

What was said in this thread was that even people who do not think of themselves as racist can contribute to racism by being thoughtless. That's a paraphrase, and not an exact quote, but I'm sure it's accurate. If it isn't, I welcome correction.

But I'd like to see the post that got your jimmies rustled.

A person doesn't have to realize that they;re a racist to be one.  Their self-ignorance does not excuse their actions, nor does it pardon them for the consequences thereof.

....it bothers me that I even have occasion to explain this..............

(August 18, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(August 18, 2017 at 6:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm just saying that I'm not going to call someone a racist simply because they don't view the civil war as a war about slavery and thus don't think the statues should come down.

And I'm asking you to link to the post which made you think that was the case. You can either do it or you cannot. And if you cannot, perhaps you should stop levying a baseless charge.

What was said in this thread was that even people who do not think of themselves as racist can contribute to racism by being thoughtless. That's a paraphrase, and not an exact quote, but I'm sure it's accurate. If it isn't, I welcome correction.

But I'd like to see the post that got your jimmies rustled.

They all make me feel that's the case. Since all I'm saying here is that I don't think it's right to label all these people racist or say that they are all "acting racist", and we are still arguing, then it seemed like that is where our difference in opinion lies. If not, then maybe we are misunderstanding each other's position.

Perhaps you should work to make yourself a less credulous mark for Neo-KKKonfederate racists, CL? I'm disturbingly southern, and I manage. You can too.

(August 18, 2017 at 6:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: They all make me feel that's the case. Since all I'm saying here is that I don't think it's right to label all these people racist or say that they are all "acting racist", and we are still arguing, then it seemed like that is where our difference in opinion lies. If not, then maybe we are misunderstanding each other's position.

Just as with your religion, your feelings aren't evidence.

(August 18, 2017 at 6:13 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(August 18, 2017 at 5:54 pm)A Theist Wrote: Damn, Thena. That was a pretty bigoted thing to say. I never would have expected that from you. I always thought you were a nice person, even though we do disagree on a lot of things. 

No. They're not Sambos, they're not Uncle Toms and they're not Step'n Fetches. These are Southerners who love their culture and heritage.

Oh, dear...you didn't think I was one those good niggers didn't you?
That was pretty silly of you, ATheist!

I mean, c'mon man...Give it some thought.

And yes. They are in fact, Uncle Toms of the highest order. 
Tis unfortunate. 
But what's to be done, really? There'll always be a few.

 
A bigot in sheep's clothing, so to speak.

Just for you, sugar pie...