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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 25, 2017 at 2:35 pm
(August 25, 2017 at 8:46 am)ignoramus Wrote: Theists, are you comfortable knowing that the thing you worship will never reveal himself to you?
He will never help you when you are ill. He will never be your wingman in battle. Never protect you from harm.
That’s the problem with believing in the unfalsifiable: You could be wrong and you’d never find out.
To me, personally, that is religion's greatest marketing strength. It's their ultimate product which they are selling to you.
One which you yourself as a customer cannot even prove you haven't received!!!
Needing blind faith to believe in the absurd or extraordinary isn't just recommended, it's mandatory!
It would be nice if "faith" were all it took. I wouldn't have had Ann McCarthy's older brother threaten to beat the shit out of me after church when I tried to hit on her during church. I would have married her because I wanted her to love me REALLY BAD.
Dear God, "I want Ann to love me, get her to love me."
Nope, doesn't work like that.
If "faith" were all it took, then she still loves me even though we graduated in 1985 and I just don't know it.
I may have pined after that utopia in my youth, but I am damned glad I don't chase them now. Boy was I young, dumb and full of cum back then.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 25, 2017 at 3:06 pm
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(August 25, 2017 at 8:46 am)ignoramus Wrote: Theists, are you comfortable knowing that the thing you worship will never reveal himself to you?
He will never help you when you are ill. He will never be your wingman in battle. Never protect you from harm.
It is hard when I'm going through tough times to not physically feel God's presence or care. It is hard when I ask God for something and I don't get what I ask for. I'm not going to lie, it IS hard, and I don't believe people who pretend as though this isn't difficult. But ultimately I just have to remember that He is so much bigger than me and bigger than everything I know in my life. Things may not make sense now, and that is expected because I can't see the big picture. But in the entirety of the big picture, beyond my own little life, I have to trust that things will ultimately make sense.
As for the "revealing" part, God has revealed Himself to me before, in a way. (And I fully believe that He will do so in the next life.) So no, that part doesn't really bother me personally because of what happened, but otherwise it would. I am very lucky for that.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 25, 2017 at 3:09 pm
(August 25, 2017 at 11:00 am)Cyberman Wrote: I don't demand certainty either. As Rowan Atkinson put it, "My life certainly has a certain uncertainty about it; and I'm certain yours does, too. So with my uncertainty, and your uncertainty, there's certainly a certain degree of uncertainty about - of that, we can be quite sure."
However, a god that consistently remains hidden despite all attempts to seek it presumably doesn't care whether or not I believe in it; or worse, actively wants me not to. Either way, who am I to go against its wishes?
Sounds more like Gertrude Stien to me.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 25, 2017 at 6:37 pm
Frank's sister, right? No, it was definitely Atkinson, though probably co-written by Richard Curtis. I saw the sketch.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 26, 2017 at 9:17 am
(August 25, 2017 at 3:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 25, 2017 at 8:46 am)ignoramus Wrote: Theists, are you comfortable knowing that the thing you worship will never reveal himself to you?
He will never help you when you are ill. He will never be your wingman in battle. Never protect you from harm.
It is hard when I'm going through tough times to not physically feel God's presence or care. It is hard when I ask God for something and I don't get what I ask for. I'm not going to lie, it IS hard, and I don't believe people who pretend as though this isn't difficult. But ultimately I just have to remember that He is so much bigger than me and bigger than everything I know in my life. Things may not make sense now, and that is expected because I can't see the big picture. But in the entirety of the big picture, beyond my own little life, I have to trust that things will ultimately make sense.
As for the "revealing" part, God has revealed Himself to me before, in a way. (And I fully believe that He will do so in the next life.) So no, that part doesn't really bother me personally because of what happened, but otherwise it would. I am very lucky for that.
(Eta)
CL there are 7 billion human beings, everyone has ups and downs, not just you. I lost my mom this year as you know, and that was no cake walk. Nobody here wishes you any bad because we are not buying your claims. But we go through bad too. The only difference is that we don't assign any good or bad to a deity.
You "feel" what you feel because you want to feel it. And what makes you think you have an after life? You don't stress out over what you life was like before you were born do you?
I value the only time I know I have now. I don't stress out about fear of punishment or promise of reward knowing even our planet and sun will die eventually. I still find good and joy in life even with the bad. I simply don't assign it to a god.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 26, 2017 at 9:46 am
(August 25, 2017 at 8:46 am)ignoramus Wrote: Theists, are you comfortable knowing that the thing you worship will never reveal himself to you?
He will never help you when you are ill. He will never be your wingman in battle. Never protect you from harm.
That’s the problem with believing in the unfalsifiable: You could be wrong and you’d never find out.
To me, personally, that is religion's greatest marketing strength. It's their ultimate product which they are selling to you.
One which you yourself as a customer cannot even prove you haven't received!!!
Needing blind faith to believe in the absurd or extraordinary isn't just recommended, it's mandatory!
This must be one of the worse idiotic guessing I ever seen Ig.
Life is all about learning.
Why God should intervene at every single step of our evolution?
At one stage a father take the little baby out the cot so he-she will learn how to walk and survive.
Survive also by doing mistakes and that become learning.
Mistakes lead to suffering and suffering in a person with a minimum of brain lead to learning and progress but for idiots that think that God should keep them inside the cot all the time is a different story.
For them there can not be any progress. 
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 26, 2017 at 10:02 am
(August 25, 2017 at 10:30 am)Cyberman Wrote: ![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQy2G_MXOY2_mQ3NEI-3bA...CyzPrUQUuk]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQy2G_MXOY2_mQ3NEI-3bApU9dTGq2tO6anS7ai0OCyzPrUQUuk)
But then they turn around and ascribe authorship to their God for the lamest pile of crapola, their Bible. The genius of having an undetectable deity is lost when He is repeatedly quoted contradicting Himself, changing His mind (how does that happen when you're omniscient?) and making prophecies either too vague to ever be attributed to a unique event or ones that are proven false by reality.
Just the Amalek bit (I will forever blot out remembrance of Amalek, but then God notes precisely that in His Bible, guaranteeing Amalek will NEVER be forgotten) is fucking ludicrous, and yet the followers seem clueless about how crippling that is to their cause.
AMALEK AMALEK AMALEK AMALEK !!!!
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 26, 2017 at 10:26 am
(August 26, 2017 at 10:02 am)vorlon13 Wrote: (August 25, 2017 at 10:30 am)Cyberman Wrote:
But then they turn around and ascribe authorship to their God for the lamest pile of crapola, their Bible. The genius of having an undetectable deity is lost when He is repeatedly quoted contradicting Himself, changing His mind (how does that happen when you're omniscient?) and making prophecies either too vague to ever be attributed to a unique event or ones that are proven false by reality.
Just the Amalek bit (I will forever blot out remembrance of Amalek, but then God notes precisely that in His Bible, guaranteeing Amalek will NEVER be forgotten) is fucking ludicrous, and yet the followers seem clueless about how crippling that is to their cause.
AMALEK AMALEK AMALEK AMALEK !!!!
One more idiotic dogma.
Where is the evidence that the Bible is God's book? 
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 26, 2017 at 10:30 am
You'd have to ask a believer, wouldn't you?
Surely there must be someone here to provide what you've requested.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
August 26, 2017 at 10:36 am
That's THEIR problem.
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