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Niqab and Muslim Women
#11
RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
(August 31, 2017 at 8:08 am)Cyberman Wrote: No, indeed. She's Björn to be wild.

(Actually I knew all that. My sister was into ABBA when they were new. Being a kid, her favourite went like this: "Mom I'm here - here I go again! My mom..." etc.)

"Bjorn to be wild" ha ha ha, cleaver. In reality Bjron and Agnetha were married. Benny and Anni Frid were married too. 

"Head out on the highway, get your motor running. Like a true ABBA child, I was Bjorn to be wild!"

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#12
RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
It's not only one of the many stark absences of women's rights in some muslim countries, it's also a damning self-indictment of the men. They really don't see themselves as being able to resist the allure of an elbow or an ankle or, allah-forbid, a woman's face? Are muslim men really that weak and enslaved to their biological urges that if they see a relatively 'uncovered' woman that they get all gropey or rapey or adulterous?
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#13
RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
Imagine a muslim left alone in a nudist beach. We have some in portugal. Hell, even in a normal beach.

They do have trouble dealing with seing skin because precisely... they don't get to see that much and not used to it.
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#14
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(August 31, 2017 at 8:15 am)Cyberman Wrote: Indeed. Especially if it becomes a habit.

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTv49DF06SeZJ3Wym_1_z4...XF4hQEKEpq]

Wow, completely different. They are wearing nun uniforms because they are nuns, not because they are women sex objects. And they are not required to be in uniform everytime they step out of the house or every time they are going to be seen by a man. Comparing a nun wearing her habit to Muslim women having to wear a niqab is totally ignorant and dishonest.

(August 31, 2017 at 8:24 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: It's not only one of the many stark absences of women's rights in some muslim countries, it's also a damning self-indictment of the men. They really don't see themselves as being able to resist the allure of an elbow or an ankle or, allah-forbid, a woman's face? Are muslim men really that weak and enslaved to their biological urges that if they see a relatively 'uncovered' woman that they get all gropey or rapey or adulterous?

Some even have to cover their eyes with that mesh material. Like, an eye is too tempting because she is nothing but a sex object and men are nothing but pigs who are going to act on instinct. It's just awful.
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-walsh
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
(August 31, 2017 at 8:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(August 31, 2017 at 8:24 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: It's not only one of the many stark absences of women's rights in some muslim countries, it's also a damning self-indictment of the men.  They really don't see themselves as being able to resist the allure of an elbow or an ankle or, allah-forbid, a woman's face?  Are muslim men really that weak and enslaved to their biological urges that if they see a relatively 'uncovered' woman that they get all gropey or rapey or adulterous?

Some even have to cover their eyes with that mesh material. Like, an eye is too tempting because she is nothing but a sex object and men are nothing but pigs who are going to act on instinct. It's just awful.

It's especially strange when some of the criticisms that some muslim countries have of the west have to do with us being sex-crazed or our women being promiscuous... when they apparently can't handle seeing a shred of flesh on their own women without going nuts.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
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#16
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From the outside, the differences are incidental. In both cases I see a woman covered from head to toe for religious reasons. To Muslims, you are ignorant of their practices. Thank you.
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#17
RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
(August 31, 2017 at 9:22 am)Cyberman Wrote: From the outside, the differences are incidental. In both cases I see a woman covered from head to toe for religious reasons. To Muslims, you are ignorant of their practices. Thank you.

I mean... I don't recall any catholic nuns advocating for a policy requiring all women in their country to wear a habit, punishable by imprisonment or worse..
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#18
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(August 31, 2017 at 12:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Personally; I don't mind covering the face in terms of personal freedom. But I'm totally against (and frankly abhor) twisting what the Quran says to prove an ancient custom.
I think it's cute that you imagine the quran has any other use.
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#19
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(August 31, 2017 at 7:59 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(August 31, 2017 at 6:44 am)Cyberman Wrote: I had a dream the other night where I was shagging the blond out of ABBA. Don't know his name.

Moral: the e is important for avoiding misunderstandings. Wink

The blond guy is Bjorn, the blond lady is Agnetha. But I am sure this was sarcasm on your part smarty pants. So here is a picture for some clarification. This is not Bjorn. [Image: Agnetha-F%C3%A4ltskog.png]

Any pictures of her coughing? No particular reason.
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#20
RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
(August 31, 2017 at 9:20 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(August 31, 2017 at 8:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Some even have to cover their eyes with that mesh material. Like, an eye is too tempting because she is nothing but a sex object and men are nothing but pigs who are going to act on instinct. It's just awful.

It's especially strange when some of the criticisms that some muslim countries have of the west have to do with us being sex-crazed or our women being promiscuous... when they apparently can't handle seeing a shred of flesh on their own women without going nuts.

Yep. Like i said, it's sex obsession, objectification of women, and impurity of heart. Opposite sides of the same coin as what goes on in the West, except I would argue to a much greater degree even.

(August 31, 2017 at 9:26 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(August 31, 2017 at 9:22 am)Cyberman Wrote: From the outside, the differences are incidental. In both cases I see a woman covered from head to toe for religious reasons. To Muslims, you are ignorant of their practices. Thank you.

I mean... I don't recall any catholic nuns advocating for a policy requiring all women in their country to wear a habit, punishable by imprisonment or worse..

Don't bother. Some people are always going to try to equate Christianity with radical Islamism every chance they get.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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