(September 8, 2017 at 11:25 pm)Court Jester Wrote: How emotionally fragile does someone have to be to get butt hurt over a statue? With everything going on in the world, people go after the items that are apt to hurt them the least.
The snap back from the overly PC culture is going to get pretty nasty.

Yes, it's quite lovely for black people when they walk by a statue erected in honor of Stonewall Jackson, a monument to someone who wanted to keep them enslaved, for trying to keep them enslaved. We definitely shouldn't succumb to the temptation to remove it to a confederate graveyard or museum just because it makes some African-Americans uncomfortable for it to still be honored in the public square. That's so nasty!

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(September 9, 2017 at 12:33 am)Court Jester Wrote: It's just narrow minded social justice that makes white people feel better about what they had no hand in, but likely have their own unjust feelings that they hide by doing all of this.

Marten Luther King Jr. hated homosexuals and didn't feel that they should have had any rights. No one would speak of kicking down his statues. Nor should they.

Georg Washington owned slaves, even supported slavery, and no one has mentioned ripping down the Washington Monument or changing the dollar bill.

Abe Lincoln openly stated that blacks should not have the same rights as whites and should be sent back to where they came from. No one would ever speak about ripping down any of Lincoln's monuments or the five dollar bill.

Make statues of absolutely anything. Don't care even a little bit. Make a statue of that guy carrying the kids, make a giant one of Malcolm X, make a big one of a penis made out of rubber that flops around in a heavy wind (that would actually be funny as hell). Don't care even a little bit. But ripping them down because a bunch of white people are offended because of historical facts; That is a very narrow minded feelgood by a very loud minority that will have absolutely zero positive influence on absolutely anything whatsoever.

Guess what? It turns out that none of those statues were erected to honor their positions on those topics. However, confederate statues were erected to honor the contributions of individuals for their actions in rebelling against the USA in an ill-advised blood-drenched attempt to secure a separate nation explicitly to maintain the institution of slavery. But for some reason, there's no difference in your eyes between a statue to honor Robert. E. Lee for backing his state instead of his nation with panache, and one to honor Martin Luther King, Jr. for his leadership in the Civil Rights movement. Why is that?

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(September 9, 2017 at 1:21 am)Court Jester Wrote:

(September 9, 2017 at 1:17 am)Javaman Wrote: So, based on this post, you are clearly in favour of the removal of any and all pro-Confederate statues?

Of is this just an example of unintentional irony?

Sure
It's going to hurt the loud minority from a political stand point more than it helps.

You mean like how the people protesting confederate statues being taken down have managed to get way more of them taken down sooner than would have been the case if they had just stayed home?

CJ, do you, a veteran, honestly support the public display and maintenance of statues honoring these men for the treason to country and oath they committed is appropriate?

(September 9, 2017 at 9:23 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: CJ, do you, a veteran, honestly support the public display and maintenance of statues honoring these men for the treason to country and oath they committed is appropriate?

Statues inspired by and funding found for by the KKK... The vast majority of the statues were put up from 1890 to 1930, during the heyday of the KKK.

(September 9, 2017 at 9:23 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: CJ, do you, a veteran, honestly support the public display and maintenance of statues honoring these men for the treason to country and oath they committed is appropriate?

People need education about what these guys did, because they literally went to war against the US. In the south the confederacy is remembered for fighting for "states rights" and yes, that's true...they were fighting for the state's right to keep slaves. The more people who know how fucked up these people actually were the better.

(September 9, 2017 at 9:51 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(September 9, 2017 at 9:23 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: CJ, do you, a veteran, honestly support the public display and maintenance of statues honoring these men for the treason to country and oath they committed is appropriate?

People need education about what these guys did, because they literally went to war against the US. In the south the confederacy is remembered for fighting for "states rights" and yes, that's true...they were fighting for the state's right to keep slaves. The more people who know how fucked up these people actually were the better.

There's none of that on the statues. Anything on the plinth is praise for the noble cause they fought for. 95% of those statues are in the "rebel states", so you wouldn't expect anything else.

(September 9, 2017 at 9:51 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(September 9, 2017 at 9:23 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: CJ, do you, a veteran, honestly support the public display and maintenance of statues honoring these men for the treason to country and oath they committed is appropriate?

People need education about what these guys did, because they literally went to war against the US. In the south the confederacy is remembered for fighting for "states rights" and yes, that's true...they were fighting for the state's right to keep slaves. The more people who know how fucked up these people actually were the better.

"But, but muh her'tage! What about my great-great-great grandpa, who fought in the battle of Bent Dick, Tennessee? He didn't own no slaves!"

You're right, Cletus. He was just stupid enough to fight on behalf of those who did.

And he was a traitor.

The flap over these statues is progress. I remember a time when cities were using fire hoses and dogs against civil rights protestors. Now, some of these same cities are removing the statues against the protests of white supremacists.

The most common answer to "Who is that?", referring to a statue in a public park ANYWHERE is "I don't know." Not much history there.

Quote:The most common answer to "Who is that?", referring to a statue in a public park ANYWHERE is "I don't know."

Followed quickly by "but I wish they'd clean the pigeon shit off of it."