(September 24, 2017 at 5:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: If the observed realm is attractive to the eye, then something probably made it this way for a reason.
Cause and effect; in other words.

No, I don't buy that argument.  Attractiveness  is very much in the eye of the beholder.  There are many things that some people find beautiful and other people view as ugly, trite or otherwise not inspiring.

A divine hand in making a realm beautiful would also make it necessary to blame that same divine hand for things that are clearly repugnant.  Credit and blame must be assigned equally or not at all.

(September 24, 2017 at 5:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 24, 2017 at 5:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: If the observed realm is attractive to the eye, then something probably made it this way for a reason.
Cause and effect; in other words.

Or maybe the eye developed an affinity to the world around.
To find bounty in beauty.
And to flee ugliness.

Let's consider "eating junk food" to be the example here;experts say:

http://jamesclear.com/junk-food-science

Quote:Memories of past eating experiences. This is where the psychobiology of junk food really works against you. When you eat something tasty (say, a bag of potato chips), your brain registers that feeling. The next time you see that food, smell that food, or even read about that food, your brain starts to trigger the memories and responses that came when you ate it. These memories can actually cause physical responses like salivation and create the “mouth-watering” craving that you get when thinking about your favorite foods.

What is the memory that humans have, that keeps them coming back to the cosmos?
Just like junk-food addiction, we're addicted to thoughts of celestial bodies and entities. Non-religious people might replace "angels and demons" with "little green men from other galaxies", we don't have the same craving for "the underground" per say; oceans do not witness the same spending that outer space exploration is witnessing.

We crave thinking about the high levels of the universe; no matter what. Atheist or religious; it becomes a matter of names: aliens, God, Gods, angels, demons, are we alone? "we are not sure"...

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(September 24, 2017 at 5:46 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(September 24, 2017 at 5:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: If the observed realm is attractive to the eye, then something probably made it this way for a reason.
Cause and effect; in other words.

No, I don't buy that argument.  Attractiveness  is very much in the eye of the beholder.  There are many things that some people find beautiful and other people view as ugly, trite or otherwise not inspiring.

A divine hand in making a realm beautiful would also make it necessary to blame that same divine hand for things that are clearly repugnant.  Credit and blame must be assigned equally or not at all.

Humans might disagree in the details, but when thirst hits all; drinking is beautiful. Also with hunger.
It becomes a matter of "when". The more you crave something, the more beautiful it gets.

There's an Arabic saying that says::
"القرد في عين امه غزال"
"The monkey is a ghazal in the eyes of its mother"

Quite insulting and I hate it to immense levels , but real. It's "when" the person becomes in need of a child; even a pet would look like a beauty-queen to them. Personally; I think that enforces the bias humans don't pay attention to.

Maybe people crave the cosmos to find a way out of this life. Personally; I do think like that. That's why I see the cosmos beautiful.
In other words; is it true "liking" or just hormones kicking in?

(September 25, 2017 at 8:42 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(September 24, 2017 at 5:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Or maybe the eye developed an affinity to the world around.
To find bounty in beauty.
And to flee ugliness.

Let's consider "eating junk food" to be the example here;experts say:

http://jamesclear.com/junk-food-science

Quote:Memories of past eating experiences. This is where the psychobiology of junk food really works against you. When you eat something tasty (say, a bag of potato chips), your brain registers that feeling. The next time you see that food, smell that food, or even read about that food, your brain starts to trigger the memories and responses that came when you ate it. These memories can actually cause physical responses like salivation and create the “mouth-watering” craving that you get when thinking about your favorite foods.

What is the memory that humans have, that keeps them coming back to the cosmos?
Just like junk-food addiction, we're addicted to thoughts of celestial bodies and entities. Non-religious people might replace "angels and demons" with "little green men from other galaxies", we don't have the same craving for "the underground" per say; oceans do not witness the same spending that outer space exploration is witnessing.

We crave thinking about the high levels of the universe; no matter what. Atheist or religious; it becomes a matter of names: aliens, God, Gods, angels, demons, are we alone? "we are not sure"...

And I'm not sure what that has to with "the observed realm is attractive to the eye", but oh well...

Curiosity is what propels mankind towards the cosmos. We do not know, but we want to know. We want to know everything that there is.
Some of us fear the unknown, some want to keep it unknown.... and some want to push the barrier of the unknown as far away as possible.
Until we know for sure, many will speculate on what will be found. If little green men, or tall grey ones... we'll see if any at all... or maybe mankind will never find out for sure... we don't know... but we'll never know, if we don't keep pushing.

(September 25, 2017 at 8:42 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(September 24, 2017 at 5:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Or maybe the eye developed an affinity to the world around.
To find bounty in beauty.
And to flee ugliness.

Let's consider "eating junk food" to be the example here;experts say:

http://jamesclear.com/junk-food-science

Quote:Memories of past eating experiences. This is where the psychobiology of junk food really works against you. When you eat something tasty (say, a bag of potato chips), your brain registers that feeling. The next time you see that food, smell that food, or even read about that food, your brain starts to trigger the memories and responses that came when you ate it. These memories can actually cause physical responses like salivation and create the “mouth-watering” craving that you get when thinking about your favorite foods.

What is the memory that humans have, that keeps them coming back to the cosmos?

Whoa, careful where you're pointing that non-sequitur! You'll have someone's eye out!

(September 25, 2017 at 9:12 am)pocaracas Wrote: And I'm not sure what that has to with "the observed realm is attractive to the eye", but oh well...

Curiosity is what propels mankind towards the cosmos. We do not know, but we want to know. We want to know everything that there is.
Some of us fear the unknown, some want to keep it unknown.... and some want to push the barrier of the unknown as far away as possible.
Until we know for sure, many will speculate on what will be found. If little green men, or tall grey ones... we'll see if any at all... or maybe mankind will never find out for sure... we don't know... but we'll never know, if we don't keep pushing.

The "realm" is defined to be:

Quote:realm
rɛlm/
noun
Lawarchaicliterary
noun: realm; plural noun: realms

1. a kingdom.
   "the defence of the realm"
   synonyms:
   kingdom, sovereign state, monarchy; More
   empire, principality, palatinate, duchy;
   country, land, domain, dominion, nation, province
   "his prime concern was to promote peace in the realm"
   
   
   • a field or domain of activity or interest.
     "the realm of applied chemistry"
     synonyms:
     domain, sphere, area, field, department, arena; More
     world, region, province, territory, zone, orbit
     "the realm of academic research"
     
     
     
   • Zoology
     a primary biogeographical division of the earth's surface.
     "this zoogeographical realm includes Africa south of the Atlas Mountains"
     

So it's quite obvious from the context that I was talking about number 2: you can say "the observed region-the observed world- the observed zone...etc".

Yep; that curiosity is the source of my post: where does it come from? What sparked it in our brains in the first place?
There are other unknowns that nobody wants to discover at all. That's why, "boring" exists as a word.

Space exploration requires effort, resources, sacrifice, and sometimes nothing is even discovered.
But since the days of Babel and Ancient Egyptian, rumors of a "God" or "Gods" existed, astronomy was active all the time, pick a civilization randomly, and you will always see an interest in space.

What the world needs is more people not like me. This is a quandary as like most people I think I am quite fair-minded and that others are not.

(September 25, 2017 at 9:49 am)Cyberman Wrote: Whoa, careful where you're pointing that non-sequitur! You'll have someone's eye out!

Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
( 172 )   And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware."

I think the human sub-conscious knows that God exists all along; but it's the actions we do that write our consciousness, and the real "us" only appear when we hold total control over our senses; i.e when we are conscious.

And that presupposition has to do with junk food addiction how, exactly? See, throwing up another non-sequitur to justify your first non-sequitur doesn't work.

(September 25, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Cyberman Wrote: And that presupposition has to do with junk food addiction how, exactly? See, throwing up another non-sequitur to justify your first non-sequitur doesn't work.

The link is memory !
What the article about fast-food mentioned, is that people keep coming back to the food because "they formed positive memories while eating it".

So what's in our memory, that keep us coming back to outer space? what are the positive memories that keep our sub-conscious craving space and planets?

The curiosity that "pocarcas" mentioned.

There seems to be a correlation between what we find attractive and what would have helped our ancestors survive: signs of reproductive fitness, good weather, novel terrain, etc.