With all this National Anthem khoas and people getting upset because someone is kneeling I brought something up to these people. What I brought up was the following: What if it was against my religion to idol worship? In a way to some standing for a piece of cloth is considered idol worship so what if that person wanted to kneel in the name of their religious beliefs?

After all, isn't the far right for freedom of religion and believe strongly that it shouldn't be infringed on? Well guess what boys and girls!? They did not take to kindly to this. Some of the responses I got were that it's not idol worship or that standing for the flag and "Respecting" it is a must no matter your religious beliefs. 

Hmmm now maybe I'm just some moron, but this sounds really really familiar. It's right at the tip of my tongue and it rhymes with moxy. 

If I didn't know any better it would seem these people's religion is extreme nationalism and they would like to live in a theoracy that's not only extremly right wing Christian, however one that forces you to stand for the anthem/flag with the threat of the death or execution. Thankfully these people don't have their way 100%, yet.

That would be the JWs . . . .

Ironic that so many of them want to retain statues of traitors, eh?

(September 26, 2017 at 12:57 am)vorlon13 Wrote: That would be the JWs . . . .

True! So I guess under their logic that religion is not protected since it's not Christianity in their eyes. ha ha

(September 26, 2017 at 12:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: Ironic that so many of them want to retain statues of traitors, eh?

Shirley you're not the one who is shocked at a show of hypocrisy by these types?

I already mentioned in another thread that the Supreme Court knocked down laws forcing ritual on public school students in regards to the pledge. Jahova's Witnesses, not communists, not atheists, but religious Christians did not want their children forced to partake in the pledge.

http://education.findlaw.com/student-rig...ation.html

Forced ritual are what Stalin demanded. Hitler and the Nazis demanded you solute their flag. Kim Jong Un forces his North Korean population to partake in worship of his family and solute his flag.

Saudi Arabia and Iran also force religious ritual on their populations.

And as I mentioned many times on this subject, the players are not protesting because they hate America, I don't support the players because I hate America. I support the NFL and the players because they are pointing out problems that still exist that need to be addressed. It out of love and a desire to make things better that they protest.

45s talk is the opposite of everything western societies value. The ability to speak to power and challenge the status quo, to point out problems, is a very valued concept, and it was because of protest that women now have the right to vote. It is because of protest that we no longer have segregated schools, bathrooms and businesses. It is because of protest that sports is also no longer segregated.

Our nation is not perfect, but it has constantly progressed because we have the ability to face power and say, "Hey, something is wrong and we need to fix it."

I didn't realize that love of country was a religious issue. The flag is only an idol if you make it one.

(September 26, 2017 at 7:22 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 26, 2017 at 12:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: Ironic that so many of them want to retain statues of traitors, eh?

Shirley you're not the one who is shocked at a show of hypocrisy by these types?

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(September 26, 2017 at 9:55 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I didn't realize that love of country was a religious issue. The flag is only an idol if you make it one.

You missed that boat by 40 years.  Goes back to the Vietnam days of "Love it or leave it."

And it is always the most fascistic of assholes doing it.

It's a little weird when anyone complains about a form of peaceful protest. There are generally two kinds of protests. Peaceful ones, and riots. Nobody likes riots, and if you criticize people for doing it peacefully, then what do you expect them to do. Well, honestly, hey kind of expect people to just shut up and take it, but that's not very forward thinking.

The fascist right cannot abide any form of protest as they are normally the target.