(October 1, 2017 at 6:30 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: First off, in regards to my tone to you and everyone else here earlier, just forget about that.  I was just under some stressful moment there.  But your comment has uplifted me out of that stressful moment and the discussion took a change in mood (atmosphere).  Now, what if I said that things and situations do hold their own good and bad values and that, in order to see these good and bad values, that this requires our own inner goodness (light) and badness (darkness)?  

I'd tell you that you were plainly wrong.  

Quote:Without our inner light and darkness (positive and negative emotions), then we would just simply be like blind people thinking of the color red without any real red within our conscious being.

I don't use any "inner light" to determine right from wrong. Obviously we can do both without the added baggage of your continued assertions. I, personally, refer to standards less muddy than "inner light", and often in contradiction with "inner light". You do as well......how else do you think you can refer to and identify inner light from inner darkness, certainly not through the presence of euphoria.......our sex offender rears his head again. There's an overarching scheme, silently betraying you and your worldview.

(October 1, 2017 at 8:04 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(October 1, 2017 at 6:30 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: First off, in regards to my tone to you and everyone else here earlier, just forget about that.  I was just under some stressful moment there.  But your comment has uplifted me out of that stressful moment and the discussion took a change in mood (atmosphere).  Now, what if I said that things and situations do hold their own good and bad values and that, in order to see these good and bad values, that this requires our own inner goodness (light) and badness (darkness)?  

I'd tell you that you were plainly wrong.  

Quote:Without our inner light and darkness (positive and negative emotions), then we would just simply be like blind people thinking of the color red without any real red within our conscious being.

I don't use any "inner light" to determine right from wrong.  Obviously we can do both without the added baggage of your continued assertions.  I, personally, refer to standards less muddy than "inner light", and often in contradiction with "inner light".  You do as well......how else do you think you can refer to and identify inner light from inner darkness, certainly not through the presence of euphoria.......our sex offender rears his head again.  There's an overarching scheme, silently betraying you and your worldview.

Now, I just like to use the terms inner light and inner darkness as metaphorical descriptions for our euphoric and dysphoric states.  Again, I can think of my positive and negative emotions being the inner light and inner darkness (my inner goodness and badness), but without a positive and negative emotion there, then I would just be thinking of them being my inner goodness and badness without any real good or bad within my conscious being.  Lastly, I think that we as human beings have simply been taught the wrong definition of good, bad, emotions, and a positive/negative experience when it comes to our inner conscious being.  The definition of good and bad is all fine and dandy when it comes to what types of situations and things are good and bad.  But when it comes to our inner being, then we as human beings have had the wrong definition all along.

(October 1, 2017 at 8:13 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Now, I just like to use the terms inner light and inner darkness as metaphorical descriptions for our euphoric and dysphoric states.

-and I don't use my euphoric or dysphoric states to determine right from wrong.  That would be an almost uniquely terrible idea, lol.

Quote:  Again, I can think of my positive and negative emotions being the inner light and inner darkness (my inner goodness and badness), but without a positive and negative emotion there, then I would just be thinking of them being my inner goodness and badness without any real good or bad within my conscious being. 

If so, then so what?

Quote:Lastly, I think that we as human beings have simply been taught the wrong definition of good, bad, emotions, and a positive/negative experience when it comes to our inner conscious being.  The definition of good and bad is all fine and dandy when it comes to what types of situations and things are good and bad.  But when it comes to our inner being, then we as human beings have had the wrong definition all along.

I'm sure that many of us have been taught poor morality, poor ethics.  I'm also sure that your worldview is incapable of clearing that up for those people.

(October 1, 2017 at 8:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(October 1, 2017 at 8:13 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Now, I just like to use the terms inner light and inner darkness as metaphorical descriptions for our euphoric and dysphoric states.

-and I don't use my euphoric or dysphoric states to determine right from wrong.  That would be an almost uniquely terrible idea, lol.  

Quote:  Again, I can think of my positive and negative emotions being the inner light and inner darkness (my inner goodness and badness), but without a positive and negative emotion there, then I would just be thinking of them being my inner goodness and badness without any real good or bad within my conscious being. 

If so, then so what?

Quote:Lastly, I think that we as human beings have simply been taught the wrong definition of good, bad, emotions, and a positive/negative experience when it comes to our inner conscious being.  The definition of good and bad is all fine and dandy when it comes to what types of situations and things are good and bad.  But when it comes to our inner being, then we as human beings have had the wrong definition all along.

I'm sure that many of us have been taught poor morality, poor ethics.  I'm also sure that your worldview is incapable of clearing that up for those people.

From here, I would just like to present to you more insight into my worldview:

Having this "value vision of good values" as I call it is like being in a higher, transcended state of consciousness.  It is like the pure love, joy, goodness, and beauty of the cosmos taking on the form of a profoundly beautiful state of being and living.  We become beings of light, so to speak.  Without this state of mind, then we would either be in a state of complete darkness or just simply a blank state.  So, the true and absolute standard to live by would be through our positive emotions.  Otherwise, it would either be the worst standard or just an empty (no quality) standard to live by.  Let me enlighten you more about this higher and absolute standard.  According to the spiritual version of my worldview, our brains would be transceivers that pick up on divine spiritual energy in this universe.  This divine energy is sheer intrinsic goodness itself.

Intrinsic qualities would be things such as water.  So, goodness would be an intrinsic quality like water when it comes to this divine energy in a spiritual universe.  In a purely naturalistic universe (a secular world), our positive emotions would be intrinsic qualities and they would literally be goodness themselves.  But like I was saying, in a spiritual universe, god's divine energy is sheer goodness, joy, love, and beauty itself.  Our brains pick up on this divine energy which puts us into a divine state of mind we call a positive emotion.  

It is through our positive emotions that we perceive the good values on a level that goes far beyond simply identifying these values.  It is like seeing the good values in this life through the eyes of god rather than through the eyes of a mere biological machine who can only think of mere words and situations.  Now, I love anime and I would love to express this worldview of mine using an anime analogy.  Dragonball Z is one of my favorite anime.  In our universe, we are just mere human beings who carry on in miserable lives all the while attending to jobs and whatnot.  We think to ourselves that carrying on in miserable lives is somehow the truly good and beautiful way to live.

It never was.  They are just living by a shit standard and they have not been awakened to my higher, awesome, and magnificent standard.  In the Dragonball Z universe, you will witness transcended and otherworldly beings.  I think this represents my standard because these would be higher beings living by a higher standard.  I would project my worldview upon the DBZ universe from here by saying that these transcended beings have brains that act as transceivers that pick up on the divine spiritual energy in their universe which puts them into the divine positive emotional states.  These transcended beings have a different definition of good and bad than we as humans.        

Now, I would also like to convey my worldview using a video game I have always loved which would be Sonic the Hedgehog.  There is a form of Sonic known as Super Sonic which is a golden and transcended form of Sonic.  This form of Sonic would symbolize a positive emotion such as an intense feeling of love, joy, beauty, or excitement.  So, according to my worldview, Super Sonic would be a euphoric state Sonic is in.  It is in this state that Sonic perceives the goodness and beauty in this universe on a god like level.  His brain has picked up on a surge of this divine energy and that has powered him up.  He now has enhanced speed and strength due to this euphoric state.  It is through his way of thinking that Sonic picks up on either divine energy or dark energy.  So, his thoughts are the keys to opening the gateway to a conscious heaven or hell in his life.  But, like I said, thoughts alone are just the keys and cannot put us into a state of heaven or hell. 

When Sonic is in his normal form, then he would be perceiving the goodness and beauty on a stable and constant level which would simply be a positive mood (the brain's our soul's normal and healthy state which is a state that lasts 24/7 providing you don't have any dysphoria or enhanced euphoria). There is another form of Sonic which is Dark Sonic. This form would represent the negative emotions such as feelings of anger or despair. Anhedonia would represent a form of Sonic where he is no longer in his normal, blue form. He would instead take on a gray and lifeless form. In this form, he would only be thinking and believing of the good and bad values in this life, but would not be able to see them like how a sighted person would be able to visualize colors.

One last thing here.  You could either perceive the values that situations and things have or you can perceive your own created values.  For example, if a mother was feeding her child vegetables, then the vegetables would be good.  But the child would be perceiving them as bad since he felt a negative emotion from them.  So, even though the vegetables are good, the child saw them as bad which would be his own personal perceived value.  This means that things and situations hold their own value and that the only way to perceive their value or our own personal created value would be through our emotions.  Also, even if our emotional states were induced by drugs rather than thoughts, they would still be the perception of values in our lives like how a sighted person visualizes colors.

Other Person's Response: Your emotions were never these powerful forces of heaven and hell in your life that you've metaphorically described them to be.  It is instead a matter of a weak character.  It's no different than someone who claims that a bully in his life is the most powerful being from hell.  That was never so.  It was just this individual's weakness.  Had he the strength to fight this bully, he would be able to see that bully as weak and having no power over his life.  You put yourself at a higher status by claiming that you live your life by the higher standard of the inner light and that you are like some psychic who needs the divine life force of this universe (positive emotions).  

From there, you say that this is something we cannot comprehend nor understand due to our lower and delusional standard as mere insignificant human beings.  But, in reality, this is just someone putting on a big show or wearing some fancy mask to make himself look big and notorious.  However, if such a mask were to be removed, then underneath that mask would be nothing more than a weak and pitiful coward.  The fact is, if you were to become tough and strong, then your emotions would be insignificant just like how that bully would be as well.  Therefore, it is us who live by the higher standard while yours is that of a weak coward even though you do not yet realize it.  

Your standard is that of a sissi who is nothing more than a basket full of happiness, sunshine, and rainbows.  You go by your own cowardice advice rather than taking the advice of someone like Rocky Balboa.  As a matter of fact, you reject and dismiss his quote completely.  But he was never wrong.  You were wrong and Tommy Gun was wrong, too.  As long as you continue to debate highly intelligent philosophers who have much more character and insight than you, I will admit, you do put up a persistent fight.  But it is no different than a weak sissi who continues to throw weak and scrawny punches against big and tough men.  That sissi will never even budge these tough guys one bit.  You are the one trying to awaken humanity to this so called inner light since you think they are all delusional.  I think it is you who needs to be awakened here.  

My Reply:  First of all, I am not being that harsh to kind people who live by this delusional standard.  I would never go up to someone kind and innocent and tell them that they are insignificant human beings.  All I'm saying here is that I don't think it's the real standard of goodness to live by.  I just don't think there can be any real good value and beauty without our positive emotions.  To me, they are like the pure joy, beauty, and love of the cosmos surging through me.  I don't think any character strength can ever replace something this profoundly beautiful.  I guess, in a way, you could consider me to be the New Age hippy spiritual believer as opposed to the mere tough man who just lives to survive and endure.  I think my standard was right all along.  I don't think that living to just be tough and survive is not any real good standard to live by.  

I think it is all about the pure light of the cosmos, so to speak.  Also, to dismiss my personal experience and my entire worldview as nothing more than just some character weakness or delusion is completely out of line.  It is not only absurd, but is completely dismissive and insulting of my personal needs.  However, I am willing to be at least open minded towards the idea that there is another form of the inner light I can have in my life besides my positive emotions.  Remember, it all comes down to the "what is" question I've mentioned before.  If I were to develop this character strength, then what would that be for me during any miserable moment in my life?  Even though I would be much more tough and enduring of these miserable states than what I was before, would it still be like I am without the inner light of god?  

Would I still be like that blind person who doesn't have this "value vision" that would allow me to truly see the good values, joy, and beauty in my life?  I could also apply this same question differently.  If I were to be in the most beautiful euphoric state of my life and I thought that something was the most horrible thing, then what would that be for me?  Would that be my new inner darkness?  My hopeless and miserable states are my current inner darkness, I can definitely tell you that much.  As I've mentioned before, I have had horrible crippled nightmare states that were orders of magnitude worse than these crippled ones in my waking life.  It is literally impossible for me to fathom a new version of inner darkness that is just as horrible as those nightmare states or the crippled emotional states I've had in my waking life.  

This is why I have to conclude here that it can only be our emotional states which are the inner light and darkness that that there can be no other form of inner light and darkness.  Words and outlooks alone simply cannot possess the power of goodness, beauty, love, joy, despair, and suffering that I've had through my emotional states.  Like I said, I am not just making lies and excuses here.  This is my honest worldview.  If I were to struggle with an absence of my positive emotions and such a struggle were to be ongoing, then I would be willing to get the help I needed even if that means developing character strength.  This means that I really am not making excuses because, if I were just making excuses, then I would not even get that help.  

As a matter of fact, the very fact that I have struggled 10 whole years with these miserable states and have not ended my life is character strength right there.  I have chosen to remain in this life despite that whole struggle.  If I was completely weak, then I would have given up and ended my life right then and there.  But even so, the fact that such character strength was still not the inner light I needed in my life during these miserable states for any single moment, I think this might prove that nothing can replace the inner light (positive emotions) I need in my life.  So, you can take your Rocky quote and shove it back up your ass since it is no real way to live or be an artist.  I just feel like giving up on those types of people who dismiss my inner light and say that I am just weak, a sissi, cowardly, or need to grow up.  I don't think any of these misconceptions are true.  

One last thing here.  I have profound insight into my own personal experiences.  During my dream states, I could clearly tell that they are not fully conscious states since they are not fully awake states.  I could also tell that, during moments in my sleep where I have performed involuntary actions, that it was like I was nothing but a machine who had no choice over his actions.  Yet, in my waking life, it is like I do have a choice over my actions.  So, I can clearly tell the difference between certain states.  

This means that I can clearly tell the difference between a life of positive emotions as opposed to a life of misery and thinking that my life is still good and beautiful.  The obvious difference is clear as day to me.  My positive emotions are the true goodness and beauty in my life (the inner light) while thinking that my life is good and beautiful during my miserable moments is an empty life.  That is why I do not adhere myself to the current knowledge of society and so claimed highly intelligent philosophers who think I am weak.  I instead pay attention to my own personal experiences since that is what it all comes down to here.  It is my life and my experience.     

Other Person's Response:  Then you are like a child who has no maturity whatsoever.  You just want life to be some happy and fun adventure.  From there, all you want is the eternal blissful afterlife of your dreams after you die which just adds to the childishness altogether.  Not only is it childish, but it is also feminish.  Which brings me to my question.  Are you gay?

My Reply:  If I really am childish and feminish, then this is just the standard I have to live by then.  But I think it is unfair to call me such names when the inner light is all I have and is all that we as human beings truly have.  It's not childish, spoiled, etc.  It is the inner light and you cannot comprehend its power.  As for your question, I am not gay.  I have no attraction to the same sex.    

Other Person's Response:  Since you like composing so much, then let me give you a music analogy.  Songs convey emotion and then they have lyrics.  Lyrics are a very powerful thing, my man.  Words hold profound power and it is not just about the jolly time these folks were having when singing these lyrics.

My Reply:  But if those lyrics had no emotion to them whatsoever, then they would just be words and nothing more.  You could have the most powerful and profound lyrics.  But as long as there is no emotion to them, then you might as well be nothing more than some robot or droid speaking words.  This is a very metaphor for life itself.  As long as we have no emotions, then thoughts of our lives having value would be nothing more than words.  I guess you could consider this life to be a musical masterpiece.  

If we just had the lyrics without the emotion, then we would all just be droids living out our lives thinking our lives are good and worthwhile, but there would be no power to those words to make that so.  It is the positive emotions which would be the power of light to those lyrics while it would be the negative emotions which would be the power of darkness to those lyrics.  The lyrics symbolize the rational cortex of our brains which is responsible for thoughts while the emotions of the song convey the emotional part of our brains.  Just as how you need both the lyrics and emotion to a song, you need both thoughts and positive emotions in your life.  

It is through your thoughts that you can have very profound positive emotions to give your life a profound and powerful perception of good values.  Thoughts can also help us make wise choices.  Lastly, when I listen to songs, the lyrics do not concern me at all.  It is all about the emotion that the song conveys.  So, if there was this song that had lyrics that not too many people would like, but said song conveyed a powerful and profound positive emotion, then that is what matters to me.  It doesn't matter to me that the lyrics were bad.  Well, I would have to sense the powerful and profound emotion of that song through my positive emotions in order for that to be something beautiful to me.

Other Person's Response:  If your only need in life is to be happy and enjoy your life, then you will never succeed in life or your composing.  You will always find yourself giving up during the miserable and unhappy moments.  That is why you must develop a different need somehow.  Currently, your positive emotions are the only things you need and they are the only things that matter to you.  Perhaps if you had other needs you would find your life changing for the better.

My Reply:  I have no need for any of those other things because of the fact that I am already convinced of my worldview.  How can I have a need for something that won't give my life any real good value and beauty?  I will give you an analogy.  It is like there is one type of environment which would be a beautiful, tropical paradise.  In this tropical environment, there is a wild, exotic fruit.  It symbolizes the inner light since it is something beautiful and full of life.  This tropical environment, along with the fruit, symbolizes something happy, free of misery, and a very healthy state of being.  But we then have another environment which is sheer hell.  It is a ruthless place and there is this big, dull, gray, tough rock.  Even though this symbolizes toughness and character strength, there is no inner light there.  

There is no real joy, beauty, or anything.  It's all just a life of misery and carrying on like the tough man all the while helping others and making the world a better place.  But no such altruistic deeds can ever replace the former environment and its inner fruitfulness.  That is why I prefer to be the wild and exotic fruit in the tropical environment as opposed to the rock in the ruthless environment.  That is, I would much rather live a life of happiness and enjoyment rather than suffering from misery and unhappiness.  If I was the fruit in the ruthless environment, then that could work as well.  That is, if I was happy in a life of chaos and suffering around me, that would be fine.  

Although, I would much rather prefer being the fruit in its proper tropical environment since the ruthless environment does pose a great risk to my own personal happiness.  However, I will not be fine being the tough rock who endures unhappiness in either the ruthless environment or the tropical environment.  So, even if I was living in the most beautiful tropical paradise where I could get anything I wanted, as long as I am miserable and/or don't have my positive emotions, then my life would still be nothing.  Therefore, it is me being both the fruit and being in that tropical environment which would be the optimal state of being and living for me.  For anyone to look down upon this means they have no idea of my personal experiences.  They just dismiss them.

Other Person's Response:  But what about a situation where you were miserable and could make a choice right then and there to obtain the eternal blissful afterlife of your dreams?  Wouldn't your life have real good value and beauty then even during that miserable state?

My Reply:  It still wouldn't.  I would still just be making a choice.

Other Person's Response:  But even though the blind person can't visualize red, the color red is still there in this blind person's life.  He just has it in a different form.  He has it in the form of a concept or an idea in his mind.  In that same regard, you could still have good value and beauty in your life without your positive emotions, too.  It would just take on the form of a concept or an idea in your mind.

My Reply:  It would just be the idea of red, but no actual red.  It would be like a person who is not feeling any physical pain.  If he thinks of physical pain, then that is just an idea of physical pain in his mind, but he does not have any real physical pain.  The thing is, I need actual goodness and beauty in my life.  I can't just have a concept or an idea of it.  This would be no different than someone who needs the inner light or god in his life.  So, when I say that I need good value, joy, happiness, and beauty in my life, then that would be no different than a blind person who says he needs actual red in his life and not just the idea of red.

Not interested. I'm not going to waste my time picking through that pile in search of corn.

(October 1, 2017 at 8:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Not interested.  I'm not going to waste my time picking through that pile in search of corn.

Here is just this part then:

Having this "value vision of good values" as I call it is like being in a higher, transcended state of consciousness.  It is like the pure love, joy, goodness, and beauty of the cosmos taking on the form of a profoundly beautiful state of being and living.  We become beings of light, so to speak.  Without this state of mind, then we would either be in a state of complete darkness or just simply a blank state.  So, the true and absolute standard to live by would be through our positive emotions.  Otherwise, it would either be the worst standard or just an empty (no quality) standard to live by.  Let me enlighten you more about this higher and absolute standard.  According to the spiritual version of my worldview, our brains would be transceivers that pick up on divine spiritual energy in this universe.  This divine energy is sheer intrinsic goodness itself.

Intrinsic qualities would be things such as water.  So, goodness would be an intrinsic quality like water when it comes to this divine energy in a spiritual universe.  In a purely naturalistic universe (a secular world), our positive emotions would be intrinsic qualities and they would literally be goodness themselves.  But like I was saying, in a spiritual universe, god's divine energy is sheer goodness, joy, love, and beauty itself.  Our brains pick up on this divine energy which puts us into a divine state of mind we call a positive emotion.  

It is through our positive emotions that we perceive the good values on a level that goes far beyond simply identifying these values.  It is like seeing the good values in this life through the eyes of god rather than through the eyes of a mere biological machine who can only think of mere words and situations.  Now, I love anime and I would love to express this worldview of mine using an anime analogy.  Dragonball Z is one of my favorite anime.  In our universe, we are just mere human beings who carry on in miserable lives all the while attending to jobs and whatnot.  We think to ourselves that carrying on in miserable lives is somehow the truly good and beautiful way to live.

It never was.  They are just living by a shit standard and they have not been awakened to my higher, awesome, and magnificent standard.  In the Dragonball Z universe, you will witness transcended and otherworldly beings.  I think this represents my standard because these would be higher beings living by a higher standard.  I would project my worldview upon the DBZ universe from here by saying that these transcended beings have brains that act as transceivers that pick up on the divine spiritual energy in their universe which puts them into the divine positive emotional states.  These transcended beings have a different definition of good and bad than we as humans.        

Now, I would also like to convey my worldview using a video game I have always loved which would be Sonic the Hedgehog.  There is a form of Sonic known as Super Sonic which is a golden and transcended form of Sonic.  This form of Sonic would symbolize a positive emotion such as an intense feeling of love, joy, beauty, or excitement.  So, according to my worldview, Super Sonic would be a euphoric state Sonic is in.  It is in this state that Sonic perceives the goodness and beauty in this universe on a god like level.  His brain has picked up on a surge of this divine energy and that has powered him up.  He now has enhanced speed and strength due to this euphoric state.  It is through his way of thinking that Sonic picks up on either divine energy or dark energy.  So, his thoughts are the keys to opening the gateway to a conscious heaven or hell in his life.  But, like I said, thoughts alone are just the keys and cannot put us into a state of heaven or hell. 

When Sonic is in his normal form, then he would be perceiving the goodness and beauty on a stable and constant level which would simply be a positive mood (the brain's our soul's normal and healthy state which is a state that lasts 24/7 providing you don't have any dysphoria or enhanced euphoria). There is another form of Sonic which is Dark Sonic. This form would represent the negative emotions such as feelings of anger or despair. Anhedonia would represent a form of Sonic where he is no longer in his normal, blue form. He would instead take on a gray and lifeless form. In this form, he would only be thinking and believing of the good and bad values in this life, but would not be able to see them like how a sighted person would be able to visualize colors.

One last thing here.  You could either perceive the values that situations and things have or you can perceive your own created values.  For example, if a mother was feeding her child vegetables, then the vegetables would be good.  But the child would be perceiving them as bad since he felt a negative emotion from them.  So, even though the vegetables are good, the child saw them as bad which would be his own personal perceived value.  This means that things and situations hold their own value and that the only way to perceive their value or our own personal created value would be through our emotions.  Also, even if our emotional states were induced by drugs rather than thoughts, they would still be the perception of values in our lives like how a sighted person visualizes colors.

No, no I still think that you could trim some fat.  Care to summarize the main point you wish to convey?

(October 2, 2017 at 1:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: No, no I still think that you could trim some fat.  Care to summarize the main point you wish to convey?

Here is just this part then:

Having this "value vision of good values" as I call it is like being in a higher, transcended state of consciousness.  It is like the pure love, joy, goodness, and beauty of the cosmos taking on the form of a profoundly beautiful state of being and living.  We become beings of light, so to speak.  Without this state of mind, then we would either be in a state of complete darkness or just simply a blank state.  So, the true and absolute standard to live by would be through our positive emotions.  Otherwise, it would either be the worst standard or just an empty (no quality) standard to live by.  Let me enlighten you more about this higher and absolute standard.  According to the spiritual version of my worldview, our brains would be transceivers that pick up on divine spiritual energy in this universe.  This divine energy is sheer intrinsic goodness itself.

Intrinsic qualities would be things such as water.  So, goodness would be an intrinsic quality like water when it comes to this divine energy in a spiritual universe.  In a purely naturalistic universe (a secular world), our positive emotions would be intrinsic qualities and they would literally be goodness themselves.  But like I was saying, in a spiritual universe, god's divine energy is sheer goodness, joy, love, and beauty itself.  Our brains pick up on this divine energy which puts us into a divine state of mind we call a positive emotion.  

It is through our positive emotions that we perceive the good values on a level that goes far beyond simply identifying these values.  It is like seeing the good values in this life through the eyes of god rather than through the eyes of a mere biological machine who can only think of mere words and situations.  Now, I love anime and I would love to express this worldview of mine using an anime analogy.  Dragonball Z is one of my favorite anime.  In our universe, we are just mere human beings who carry on in miserable lives all the while attending to jobs and whatnot.  We think to ourselves that carrying on in miserable lives is somehow the truly good and beautiful way to live.

It never was.  They are just living by a shit standard and they have not been awakened to my higher, awesome, and magnificent standard.  In the Dragonball Z universe, you will witness transcended and otherworldly beings.  I think this represents my standard because these would be higher beings living by a higher standard.  I would project my worldview upon the DBZ universe from here by saying that these transcended beings have brains that act as transceivers that pick up on the divine spiritual energy in their universe which puts them into the divine positive emotional states.  These transcended beings have a different definition of good and bad than we as humans.

(October 2, 2017 at 1:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: No, no I still think that you could trim some fat.  Care to summarize the main point you wish to convey?

Alright, I will just say these brief things then:

It is only through pain (dysphoria) and pleasure (euphoria) that we become aware of the good and bad qualities of life just as how a sighted person is able to visualize the color red. 

Other Person's Response:  But doesn't the fact that many people report emotions, real good value and beauty in their lives, and positive/negative experiences independent of those euphoric and dysphoric states you've defined at least give you an open mind that there is something more to life than your hedonism?

My Reply:  It does.  Maybe the inner light and darkness can take on another form besides those euphoric and dysphoric states then.  However, I am not sure on this one.  It could be the case that people are only deluding themselves with a false definition here.