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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 7:23 pm
(October 3, 2017 at 7:21 pm)Astonished Wrote: (October 3, 2017 at 5:46 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: You said that I had no way to judge in a scenario where positive emotions were truly intrinsically good. But I would have a way to think of a longer duration of positive emotions being better just as how a blind person could still think of colors in his mind. I also think it doesn't matter what preferences people have; it can still only be their euphoric and dysphoric states that can be the positive and negative feelings, experiences, and emotions in thier lives and they are still the only things that can allow them to truly see the good and bad values in their lives.
So if it differs for every person or can change at any time, then in what the fuck way is it objective?
Because sight is objective as it is the only thing that allows us to visualize colors.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 7:24 pm
Sight is a visual medium. Mind blowing.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 7:29 pm
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(October 3, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Sight is a visual medium. Mind blowing.
Then our euphoria and dysphoria would be like visual mediums of their own, if you will, since they are the only things that allow us to see the good and bad values in our lives. So, objective would mean a visual medium by which we perceive good value, bad value, positiviity, negativity, wanting, liking, not wanting, and disliking. That visual medium would, again, be our euphoria and dysphoria.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm
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(October 3, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Hammy Wrote: Meanwhile people who think that subjective experience can't be objectively good or bad because it's "subjective" are failing to spot their own equivocations. Nope. It's not in the experience, it's in the definition of "good." That word can be defined however anybody wants, and that is the definition of subjectivity. Something which is intrinsically good is good without being defined so by somebody-- and there's no such thing.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 9:17 pm
(October 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (October 3, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Hammy Wrote: Meanwhile people who think that subjective experience can't be objectively good or bad because it's "subjective" are failing to spot their own equivocations. Nope. It's not in the experience, it's in the definition of "good." That word can be defined however anybody wants, and that is the definition of subjectivity. Something which is intrinsically good is good without being defined so by somebody-- and there's no such thing.
Sure, you could define good however you want to. But the question is, how do you perceive that good value? It wouldn't come about through simply acknowledging it. Rather, it would come about through our positive emotions.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 9:54 pm
(October 3, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Sight is a visual medium. Mind blowing.
Do you credit special revelation?
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 10:08 pm
Only to special people.
The ones who have to be supervised to use crayons.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 10:28 pm
(October 3, 2017 at 9:17 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: (October 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Nope. It's not in the experience, it's in the definition of "good." That word can be defined however anybody wants, and that is the definition of subjectivity. Something which is intrinsically good is good without being defined so by somebody-- and there's no such thing.
Sure, you could define good however you want to. But the question is, how do you perceive that good value? It wouldn't come about through simply acknowledging it. Rather, it would come about through our positive emotions.
How fucking dense are you? I may know it's the right thing to do not to cut in a line but it's going to piss me the fuck off if I'm in a hurry and the jacktard in front of me is plopping down pennies one at a time to pay for their purchase. Being good because you understand the practical necessity of order and rules and morality doesn't mean you're going to feel good about it.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 10:42 pm
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(October 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (October 3, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Hammy Wrote: Meanwhile people who think that subjective experience can't be objectively good or bad because it's "subjective" are failing to spot their own equivocations. Nope. It's not in the experience, it's in the definition of "good." That word can be defined however anybody wants, and that is the definition of subjectivity. Something which is intrinsically good is good without being defined so by somebody-- and there's no such thing.
OFC the nature of our human experience is subjective. Neccessarily so. This doesn't make the objects of our experience subjective. Moral disagreement exists regardless and independent of moral objectivity. If it were evil to put chocolate chips on ice cream people would still do it, and some of those people would likely not see the act as evil.
While we may subjectively suffer (or not) when some terrible thing x happens, the thing itself may be terrible independent of that. When the thing y that makes object x terrible belongs naturally or essentially -to that thing x-, regardless of whether or not a given subject suffers, for example.....it is intrinsic. A rape that occurs when the victim is unconscious is not determined to be not bad or less bad, because the bad is taken to be intrinsic to the act.
There's no concept conveyed by human beings that isn't defined by human beings. This is an objection to all human thought and language, but not the particulars of any specific proposition or moral assessment.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 3, 2017 at 11:30 pm
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(October 3, 2017 at 10:28 pm)Astonished Wrote: (October 3, 2017 at 9:17 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Sure, you could define good however you want to. But the question is, how do you perceive that good value? It wouldn't come about through simply acknowledging it. Rather, it would come about through our positive emotions.
How fucking dense are you? I may know it's the right thing to do not to cut in a line but it's going to piss me the fuck off if I'm in a hurry and the jacktard in front of me is plopping down pennies one at a time to pay for their purchase. Being good because you understand the practical necessity of order and rules and morality doesn't mean you're going to feel good about it.
I already know that acknowledging the good in life won't always make you feel euphoric. What I am saying here is that it is our euphoria that allows us to perceive good value like how the sense of sight allows us to visualize colors. It's an amazing perception to have and is our inner light, so to speak, that we all need in our lives. This is a profound life lesson I have learned from struggling 10 whole years with ongoing misery and despair induced by obsessive negative thoughts and traumatic life events. I am here to share this life lesson which could change the world. It would awaken humanity to their positive emotions which are truly the only way to live and they are truly the only way to be an artist. A life filled with inner darkness (negative emotions) is no way to live and neither is a life devoid of both positive and negative emotions any way to live either. In other words, it is the inner light we need in our lives.
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