My mind is blown by you giving me kudos for my reply. Are you trying to trigger my self-destruct mechanism? Good thing I changed the activation code on it.

(October 5, 2017 at 9:03 pm)Astonished Wrote: My mind is blown by you giving me kudos for my reply. Are you trying to trigger my self-destruct mechanism? Good thing I changed the activation code on it.

It was a gorgeous reply. I loved it.

(October 5, 2017 at 8:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 5, 2017 at 8:15 pm)Losty Wrote: Ok. I wouldn't. Can you explain to me why a person would feel remorseful towards God for a mistake they made that did god no harm? I don't get it. If I had sex with Carl's wife, why would I be sorry to God for that? I genuinely don't understand.

Because the belief is that our wrongdoings hurt God. Specifically those wrongdoings that hurt other people, because each one of those people are God's children.

Do you think all the millions of babies/children in third world counties dying slowly and painfully of thirst, starvation, and disease hurts god more, or less, than disrespecting your mom, stealing from your neighbor, or thinking your best friend's wife is super hot?

(October 5, 2017 at 8:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 5, 2017 at 8:09 pm)Losty Wrote: @CL do you really think it's fair of you to make the assumption that people who don't believe in God feel no remorse for things they've done wrong?

No, it isnt fair. But I didn't make that assumption. What I meant was would you feel remorseful towards God for those things.

Sorry, I should have made that clear.

Why the fuck would we be remorseful toward gawd for things we did to others?!?

Personally, I would do nothing. I would probably say "oh, okay then" and then get on with my day (such as it is). I would instantly stop being an atheist, because the theist burden of proof will have been met, but otherwise? Who cares?

(October 5, 2017 at 9:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 5, 2017 at 8:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Because the belief is that our wrongdoings hurt God. Specifically those wrongdoings that hurt other people, because each one of those people are God's children.

Do you think all the millions of babies/children in third world counties dying slowly and painfully of thirst, starvation, and disease hurts god more, or less, than disrespecting your mom, stealing from your neighbor, or thinking your best friend's wife is super hot?

I don't know about disrespecting your mom or stealing, but thinking someone else is really attractive isn't something I ever considered wrong lol.

(October 5, 2017 at 9:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 5, 2017 at 9:03 pm)Astonished Wrote: My mind is blown by you giving me kudos for my reply. Are you trying to trigger my self-destruct mechanism? Good thing I changed the activation code on it.

It was a gorgeous reply. I loved it.

Killing me with kindness? I guess I can and should lighten up a bit on you and a few choice others lest it bleed into other interactions offline. I've only just discovered the joys of Mass Effect (yes, I'm like a decade behind the times) and I have a four-day weekend so I'm feeling pretty damn skippy.

I get you wanting to love your unrealistic idea of your god. Every battered partner wants to think they can fix them, change them, believe in them and hope for the best in them to manifest itself and stay for good. But I look at you with your black eye and broken teeth and I want to weep; and I look at what that poisonous partner you idealize has done to you and want to shove his face into a meat grinder.

You can't expect us to wear the same rose-colored glasses as you because we're not numb to the thorns on them as you've become. We see the proof in the pudding that the foundation it's based on is what's creating a world full of animosity and corruption and even the harmless ones are simple gullible sheep.

If god is indeed a father, he should act like a parent and be attentive, be protective, be a good teacher and treat us like adults once we grow up. He has failed in every single one of these duties according to your scriptures. The dynamic is different of course; there's no expectation that he's ever going to get old and decrepit and be dependent on us in his golden years. Maybe that's why his character is so fucked up. The people who invented him clearly had no idea what else to make of it.

There is literally nothing in the bible that couldn't have been invented or learned by early primitives. Nothing divinely inspired would be needed to come up with any portion of it. What would something divinely inspired even sound like? Surely nothing we have ever seen before, and nothing we could ever think of as mundane no matter how long it's lasted throughout the ages.

I know you probably think you or someone has a legitimate objection to these, but you don't, dear. You really don't. And to try is like having to watch you lie to the police so they don't take him away for giving you a fat lip.

(October 5, 2017 at 8:56 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(October 5, 2017 at 8:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

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BTW mods, whats with that closed thread? Lol, i wrote out a response but wasnt able to post it bc the thread had closed before i had a chance to...

I was trying to post "Be nice to CL. She may be a Catholic Lady but she is our Catholic Lady. Our Lady of the Forum. For what it is worth!

CL is our most favorite CL, and a wonderful CL, and even though I disagree with her on like, 95% of things, I love her to pieces.  ❤️

(October 5, 2017 at 7:05 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I would be forced to believe.

But here's the thing.  There are a lot of "ifs" in this scenario.

For instance, discovering that god is all good.  That would immediately mean that the character, as described in the OT, didn't exist.  At least not in the way he is described (jealous, spiteful, wrathful, etc). This immediately brings up the question on which is the true nature of the deity and, indeed, is the god before me the actual being from the OT?

Has he grown up/matured, into the being I've just met? Is the OT description completely wrong (making me question the veracity of the whole book).

If he was, indeed, misrepresented and has always been good, I guess I could support getting to know him better, though worship would be a long way off.

Scenarios are always full of ifs, you should know you have started a few of them, that's why I do not like them and find them to be mostly a waste of time, except for this one it will be interesting to see what is said. You also make a valid point, God would be forcing you to believe and that's why God does things the way He does, He wants us to come to Him on faith because He knows it will lead to love.
I see things already getting interesting and CL hit it on the head, you will say anything so God want be real in this life to you. Excuses will not get you anywhere on the day of your judgement.

GC

It's not out of the woods if you know God exists, then comes truly knowing the path to him and taking it, which is recognizing his name among the false names. Knowing God exists is easy, knowing who God is and the path to him, that takes another level. And knowing that path, and taking it, is exactly a whole different thing, and knowing the path and way and door doesn't mean you will enter it and take it.

All praise to God of all the guidance and insights and proofs he has helped me with and I ask forgiveness for every ungrateful act of disobedience and every lack of will towards embracing his name and submitting to him.