(October 8, 2017 at 8:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: And if God does exist and provided guidance - then our answers lie in his clarification and guidance, even the very proofs of his existence we are looking for.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. But they're not horses. First establish the "if", then you can speculate about the "then".

(October 8, 2017 at 9:16 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 7:13 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: 7-I imagine a British person saying "arse"; and it's hilarious.

It's better - and more accurate - than an American saying "herbs". The "h" isn't just decoration, guys.

Oh, and what's with the soft "th" in "Anthony"? Especially when the diminutive is "Tony". Nobody seems to have a problem with "Thomas", so what gives?

(Incidentally, I'm not British. I'm English.)

It just sounds wrong to include the H in herbs...

As in herbaceous? As a horticultural term, it's a bit like saying "nukular".

(October 8, 2017 at 9:20 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 8:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: And if God does exist and provided guidance - then our answers lie in his clarification and guidance, even the very proofs of his existence we are looking for.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. But they're not horses. First establish the "if", then you can speculate about the "then".

But if you are trying to establish this "if" - the searching for who be his representatives and a revelation from him, might be the best and easiest means to prove it and establish it.

(October 8, 2017 at 9:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 9:20 pm)Cyberman Wrote: If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. But they're not horses. First establish the "if", then you can speculate about the "then".

But if you are trying to establish this "if" - the searching for who be his representatives and a revelation from him, might be the best and easiest means to prove it and establish it.

But what if the "representatives" are phony and the "revelation" is from their imaginations?  It proves nothing at all.

(October 8, 2017 at 10:09 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 9:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: But if you are trying to establish this "if" - the searching for who be his representatives and a revelation from him, might be the best and easiest means to prove it and establish it.

But what if the "representatives" are phony and the "revelation" is from their imaginations?  It proves nothing at all.

What's your point?

CL, to answer your original post, I'm not sure how I would react to such an encounter. I'm not averse to meeting a superhuman being that is genuinely good, but if that being bore too great a resemblance to the god of the Bible there's a reasonable chance that alarm bells would be going off. Lacking omniscience, I wouldn't be able to know for sure what the being really was or what it wanted of me, and at a minimum it would take some time before I felt at ease with the situation.

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(October 8, 2017 at 10:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 10:09 pm)Astreja Wrote: But what if the "representatives" are phony and the "revelation" is from their imaginations?  It proves nothing at all.

What's your point?

The point is that in all probability, neither you nor I possess the ability to determine if the revelations are genuine.  You have religious faith, and accept certain things as revelations.  I have no religious faith and am unlikely to acquire it in my lifetime, and question all scriptures and all revelations.

(October 8, 2017 at 10:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 10:09 pm)Astreja Wrote: But what if the "representatives" are phony and the "revelation" is from their imaginations?  It proves nothing at all.

What's your point?

Are you kidding?  We've said it dozens of times - if gawd is only one-thousandth as capable, knowing, and powerful as theists claim, then no representative is needed.  Religion is the ultimate club for con-men.  And you can have a revelation about absolutely anything.  It's called imagination.  Preachers and "revelations" will never be proof, unless they do something like . . . oh, fly, re-grow amputated limbs, and raise the dead - all at the same time.  On camera.  Surrounded by scientists who are studying the phenomenon.

(October 8, 2017 at 9:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 9:20 pm)Cyberman Wrote: If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. But they're not horses. First establish the "if", then you can speculate about the "then".

But if you are trying to establish this "if" - the searching for who be his representatives and a revelation from him, might be the best and easiest means to prove it and establish it.

That might be a good place to start; but without a working evidence filter in your toolkit, you're at risk of leaving yourself open to every predator and new age woo salesman who tells you what already fits your preconceptions.

See, if you tell me there's an angel standing behind me, the first thing I'm going to do is turn round and look. It's no good your telling me that the angel is invisible, or always moves to be just out of my sight, I'm going to want to know how you know it's there at all. I'm certainly not interested in a list of testimonials from other people who saw the angel, especially when I'm getting - at best - third-hand accounts by a friend of a friend who once heard someone telling someone else etc.

I can provide mutually compelling evidence that a rock exists, or that I exist. First do that basic thing for your god, then we have something to talk about.

(October 8, 2017 at 7:17 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 7:01 pm)NickPercent Wrote: Before I read 21 pages of probably nonsense, I'd just like to know what has happened in a nutshell.

Atlas spouted bullshit (As usual but this time bullshit about kids dying) and is pulling the "woe is me look at how disliked I am" persecution complex.

Persecution complex ? no no; others are doing that; not me.
I'm so thankful; that I "pray" actually, and so proud of it to tell about it even if it made others say I'm talking to a floor.

I just point to facts that so many hate to look at; and believe me they are not a secret:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...66031.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio...am_Hussein

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kyaw-min/...74852.html

The Independent, The Hffington Post, Wikipedia; what do you want more?
Not a complex; but an admission of the surrounding shit. Shit that many hate to admit or even report. And some others even use to achieve their sick needs.

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(October 8, 2017 at 7:18 pm)NickPercent Wrote: so these pages are mostly about british people?

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(October 8, 2017 at 7:17 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Atlas spouted bullshit (As usual but this time bullshit about kids dying) and is pulling the "woe is me look at how disliked I am" persecution complex.

oh, ok

No ! Why did you ignore Scarface (who is cuban), and Vendetta's wonderful idea, and just focused on the British bit?

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(October 8, 2017 at 9:16 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 7:13 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: 7-I imagine a British person saying "arse"; and it's hilarious.

It's better - and more accurate - than an American saying "herbs". The "h" isn't just decoration, guys.

Oh, and what's with the soft "th" in "Anthony"? Especially when the diminutive is "Tony". Nobody seems to have a problem with "Thomas", so what gives?

(Incidentally, I'm not British. I'm English.)

American culture added the dynamic part that Britain needed; the mixture of  so many cultures was something noble, yeah America might've inherited it from the British empire; and did the worst atrocities ever to native Americans and black people; but I guess it's something to do with all empires anyways; from Ancient Egypt to the U.S, but American English is a language of dreams !

Come on; it's easy to get, easy to learn, easy to write, so simple, and above all it makes foreigners escape the pain of silent letters and tricky sentences. England has it strong, and to be honest it gives a very different reflection; it makes the natives of the island look more royal and shiny when they talk..

But I guess American music and movies brainwashed me.

I always said the "h" in herbs. But it's Anthony that is new. I would pay a lot to hear an American speak Arabic.