(October 11, 2017 at 10:22 am)Khemikal Wrote: The moral of little red riding hood is that sluts are asking for it.  Off topic, ish, but still worth mentioning. 

Oh, yeah - Grandma was mad for c*ck... 

(October 11, 2017 at 9:47 am)Khemikal Wrote: I leave it up to you to tell me, beyond dumb kids saying dumb shit, what pc culture or sjw culture is.  So far you've referenced their existence as narratives in infotainment and sp.  You realize that the creators of sp have strong right leaning and anti-liberal political viewpoints..right?  I mean, I love sp...but, it is what it is.  Care to wager on the existence of pc culture and sjw culture in infotainment as being on the rightleaning organs as well?

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Their political viewpoints matter because that's the place that their satire comes from.  That much should be obvious.  I'm trying to find either the pc or sjw culture..or the problem of either..beyond the boogeymen invented by rightleaning political viewpoints, as a foil.

If you're looking for the proof of their existence, look to these "dumb kids" in college first. Take a glance at their professors too. Look to the political activists -internet "keyboard warriors" included- or a good portion of the third wave feminist movement. Fuck, MTV's had two shows (one a web series) hosted by -what can reasonably be called- figureheads of the PC movement (Laci Green* and Francesca Ramsey).

Don't get me wrong, as I said two posts ago, I don't think they're this massive problem that people (even myself in the past, I'm not above eating crow when need be) make them out to be. Denying their existence and what problems they can and do create is another matter entirely.

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As for their culture, it's basically defined by ironic hypocrisy. Inclusivity, equality and love for all unless you have a disagreement with them on something. If that happens then you're The Enemy®, no inclusivity or equality and certainly no love for you.

Fucks sake, I'm not even talking about bigots being crybabies about being called bigots. They eat their own. Just look at what happened to Laci Green when she stopped parroting the "no platform" third waver party line and suggested that maybe open, and polite, dialogue with her opponents was a good thing.

Dumb kids saying dumb shit isn't a distinct culture.  It's a universal fact of all human culture, lol.   Help me to see what you see....because right now, I'm just seeing a set of correlated talking points.  Pc culture, sjw culture, professors, feminists.  You gonna tell me about the war on christmas next? 

"What happened to laci green"...as far as I can tell from cursory research, would be a good title for an article on the subject of Laci Green...but what do you think happened to laci green that;s indicative of whatever problem there is with pc culture or sjw culture? Incidentaly, how is it that the problems of pc culture invariably swirled back around to alt right red pilling? Just a co-ink-e-dink?

(October 11, 2017 at 8:30 am)alpha male Wrote: I suppose when Neo's opponents read the boy who cried wolf, they think the moral of the story is that the evil villagers used the boys lies to justify not coming to his aid when they knew there was a real attack.

So what you're saying is that the boy who cried wolf was obviously black, and that he represented all black people because that's how race works, right?

Get the fuck out, you goddamn stupid fucker.

(October 11, 2017 at 10:27 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Oh, yeah - Grandma was mad for c*ck...   

Little Red, but, yeah..that was the general idea.  Granny was a later addition.  I can't help it, I'm a stickler when it comes to fairy tales.  If you have the time or inclination...

https://www.amazon.com/Little-Red-Riding...0465041264
 
Found an NPR interview /w the author.  
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=1149092

(October 11, 2017 at 9:37 am)Khemikal Wrote: LOL< sjws and pc culture, comorbid fascinations with the living embodiment of straw..when, apparently..both you and the alt right are really just talking about dumb kids saying dumb shit.  The alt right, for their part, use it as a foil to complain about how they get shit for being racists.  Poor little snowflakes fee-fees are hurt.  Apparently, we're not allowed to refer to them as racists anymore...the proper term is statue enthusiast.  

The irony is delicious, and their tears sustain me.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:42 am)Bob Kelso Wrote: So we're not pretending, we're sweeping it under the rug as "dumb kids say dumb shit". Gotcha.

Edit: I'm not sure what their leanings have to do with the existence of the people we are talking about, which was my original point.

Edit2: Damn Khem, you and your ninja edits 😅

I think extremists inhabit both ends of the spectrum. I think that as a proportion, they're each smaller than their mirror-image extremists make out. And I think the polarization of American politics makes each minority louder than they are, or should be for that matter.

Doesn't even take politics....as many of these purported examples demonstrate, from sp to youtube channels to mtv series and ofc the entirety of the wingnutopsheres "news" apparatus....it makes for good tv.  I'm wondering what there is, if there's anything at all, beyond the good tv.

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-in elaboration, I wonder what sense it would make to refer to "the problems of marital culture", by reference to The Real Housewives.

(October 11, 2017 at 10:51 am)Khemikal Wrote: Dumb kids saying dumb shit isn't a distinct culture.  It's a universal fact of all human culture, lol. 

Oh no, lol, I'm not suggesting that it is.

Quote:Help me to see what you see....because right now, I'm just seeing a set of correlated talking points.  Pc culture, sjw culture, professors, feminists.  You gonna tell me about the war on christmas next? 

Perhaps I'm wrong in my approach to what designates their branding, but I think their culture is much like any Americans culture, varied yet similar, just with key differences. It's their nigh on cult-like behavior and hypocrisy that singles them out from the rest. They preach their beliefs (namely what I mentioned before) and act with rabid fervor against the "others" with complete disregard to their prieviously touted beliefs.

Quote:"What happened to laci green"...as far as I can tell from cursory research, would be a good title for an article on the subject of Laci Green...but what do you think happened to laci green that;s indicative of whatever problem there is with pc culture or sjw culture?

I think it's a good representation of their inability to be self aware. By treating people the way they treated her and others like her they manifest the things they generally claim to stand against. Intolerance, and hatefulness.

In my opinion it's their blind tribalism, and their extreme us vs them mentality that undermines them and creates the problems that are so easily honed in on by the right. It's like that old meme with the bicyclist jamming a rod into his own spokes.

Quote:Incidently, how is it that the problems of pc culture invariably swirled back around to alt right red pilling? Just a co-ink-e-dink?

I'd say it's a mongoose/viper deal. The alt right/regressive left are tied to one another, it's just the nature of the beast right now.

(October 10, 2017 at 6:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I think I'll let Neo field this one.  Does he in fact believe that black people have no legitimate complaints?

Statistically, African-Americans score lower on many important social metrics. As a group they are disproportionately victims of violent crime. They are disproportionately represented in the lower incomes. I believe that left-leaning people tend to over-emphasize to influence of socio-economic circumstances over individual behavior. I believe that right-leaning people, including myself, tend to over-emphasize the role of poor personal choices and the adoption of destructive cultural norms. That's a starting place for a discussion, not an opportunity to label other people racists.

Do I believe there is prejudice? Yes, It is a proven fact that resumes with African-American names, like Lakesha, are judged less favorably than identical on resumes submitted with traditional Anglo- names like Ashley. That is wrong and I believe that most people, especially white people today, actively try to overcome the innate, and often subconscious, human tendency to discriminate. I also believe that at a traffic stop a blonde professional woman driving a Prius will get the benefit of doubt denied to a teenage African-American driving a tricked-out Buick. At the same time I think more people drive Priuses in high-income, low-crime areas with less of a police presence. Sometimes many of statistical racial disparities disappear when controlled for race-neutral factors like income, geographic location, and family structure. Left-wing interpretations of statistics should be every bit as open to questioning as challenging right-wing ones. But no. Rather than engage in a process of identifying other possible root causes for such disparities, the left immediately labels any alternative interpretation as racist/mysoginistic, etc. Just ask a Google employee.

There are no laws on the books that explicitly prevent African-Americans, or any other American citizens, from participating in all aspects of civil life. Are their laws on the books that affect incarceration rates, exaggerating the sentences for minor offenses that are more prevalent in urban low-income communities? Yes. And it is right and proper to point out those problems and correct them. At the same time, the crack epidemic of the 80's received way more attention than the crystal meth epidemic in rural areas.

I also recognize that African-Americans, as a demographic category, lag behind other demographic groups in terms of income level and housing as a legacy of Jim Crow era institutionalized racism. But I do not for one minute believe that institutional racism exists anymore. There is no widespread belief in or promotion of white supremacy. People who hold those views are fringe losers that in no way represent the attitudes the vast majority of people. America is not a racist nation just because it is not entirely free from prejudice or because statistically some groups outperform others. Asian-Americans do not outperform Anglo-Americans because of racism. A right-leaning person attributes the success of Asian-Americans to a culture of excellence, hard work, and strong family involvement. Left-leaning interpretations simply cannot account for such disparities.

When was the last time you heard "press 1 for Polish?"

Not long ago, I heard a a woman telling a stranger about her five children sired by two fathers both of whom left her. Those five children are not being victimized by white supremacy. They are victimized by the personal choices of their irresponsible mother and absent fathers. Likewise not long ago, a group of adult men on the beach were playing extremely loud (audible from a half-mile away) music glorifying prostitution and greed that was laced with all kinds of obscenities. Nearby, children were playing in the sand and swimming. Those children are not being oppressed by white America. Instead of mature adults committed to teaching their children the Suzuki method, juvenile-acting adults are filling their children's heads with music that glorifies crime and justifies anti-social behavior. Do you really think it is acceptable for my wife and I to have to listen to songs in a public space with lyrics explicitly about killing white people? But you, know what? I think such folks are rude and stupid. But it's still a free country and as far as I'm concerned they can reap what they are sowing, excuses for their own lack of success. It's no different from poor losers that blame big banks and Freemasons for their unemployment because they're too lazy to leave their small rural town of 300 and go to someplace like North Dakota where they can't find enough people to hire. Or go the public library, open a free Ebay account, and start selling stuff. Sure it takes some luck but if you want to get ahead you at least have to show up! Don't tell me there is any lack of opportunities in 21st century America.

Meanwhile, SJW's are encouraging students in elite colleges to interpret shoelaces as threats and giving audience to politicians who think power washers are symbols of oppression. Stop it. You are making fools of yourself when you call someone a racist for identifying examples of such nonsense. This thread is a perfect example.

(October 11, 2017 at 11:19 am)Khemikal Wrote: Doesn't even take politics....as many of these purported examples demonstrate, from sp to youtube channels to mtv series and ofc the entirety of the wingnutopsheres "news" apparatus....it makes for good tv.  I'm wondering what there is, if there's anything at all, beyond the good tv.

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-in elaboration, I wonder what sense it would make to refer to "the problems of marital culture", by reference to The Real Housewives.

I'm trying to figure out what "sp" is in context.

Enlighten me?