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The Universal Moral Code
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 (October 21, 2017 at 10:24 am)Little lunch Wrote: In what way does the moral code afford protection to those that adhere to it from those who are evil? The moral code instructs everybody to defend themselves. Every living being must find a way to stop any wrong that is being perpetrated against him or her, without violating rules #2 and #3 of the code, and thus not hurting the perpetrators. Accidental wrongs can should be willingly reversed. Full restitution, apology, etc should be given willingly. It's really concentrating, not diluting, righteousness and justice to their most basic principles, out of which all individual moral questions can be answered. The Source is everything and everybody, really. This is the same as saying Energy is everything and everybody. This moral code is like the rules of a rather sick game IT plays.  (October 21, 2017 at 11:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You may want to think this through again. 'Again'?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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October 22, 2017 at 4:27 pm
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(October 21, 2017 at 11:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote:2. All life has equal rights. Each living being is equal in value or importance to every other living being. No living being or group of beings has any rights, including the rights to exploit, or abuse, or force their own will, upon any other living being or group of beings, unless all beings involved are willing participants. Yes to all your questions, really good ones, by the way. I consider everything you said to be wrong. I ate grains which did not give their consent for me to eat them. I do not believe it is possible for us to live an absolutely righteous life for very long. (October 21, 2017 at 12:06 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: I like the general idea of the first 4 principles except for the obvious problem that all living beings can only exist by feeding off other life. Considering unconscious plants living beings for the purpose of morality really complicates things unnecessarily. There is no getting around that lions are conscious and zebras are conscious though and that lions don't do too well on a diet of eucalyptus leaves. You are totally right, but we have no choice, as long as we are alive. I'm not saying we should take revenge. This is the way karma, life, works.  RE: The Universal Moral Code
October 22, 2017 at 4:47 pm
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(October 22, 2017 at 4:27 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote:(October 21, 2017 at 11:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Malignant cancerous tumors are 'alive' by any meaningful definition of the word. Is such a tumor 'equal in value or importance to every other living being'? If so, then any attempt to destroy the tumor (radiation, chemotherapy, excision surgery, etc) in order to save the patient is evil, according to your definition. Antibiotics used to treat life-threating bacterial infections would be evil, as would eradicating insect or rodent pests that pose a threat to human populations. On this much (my bolded) you probably will find much agreement. Where we disagree will be exactly the same places we already disagree: the lengths we will go to preserve ourselves and what we value. You can't turn morality into a decision tree which everyone would accept.  RE: The Universal Moral Code
October 22, 2017 at 5:44 pm
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Quote: I do not believe it is possible for us to live an absolutely righteous life for very long. Then your so called 'Universe Moral Code' is a fraud, or at best a farce. What is the point of a moral code that cannot be adhered to? Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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October 22, 2017 at 7:14 pm
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(October 21, 2017 at 8:27 am)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote: 2. All life has equal rights. If any of your ancestors, ever, followed this morality, you wouldn’t even exist. May I ask how a moral code that puts those who would attempt to observe itself on swift path to extinction could possibly make the universe more moral even by its own standards in the long run?  (October 22, 2017 at 3:54 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote: I don't believe I'm a victim of others. If a victim, I am a victim of myself, for not observing the part of the Code that indicates that an injustice should not be accepted or put up with by anybody. Would you like to tell us what injustices you committed, who claimed injustice and what, if any, retribution you received?
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(October 21, 2017 at 11:36 am)Aroura Wrote:(October 21, 2017 at 8:33 am)Khemikal Wrote: Does the wheat consent? Is it going to karmicly enslave you for eating it? What's the moral significance of bread?The wheat doesn’t chose to participate, and thereby becomes exempt. All beings that cannot understand the OP moral code fall into the second category, so it is no less ne’er morally wrong to harm them. You are absolutely right. It is utterly impossible to live in a perfectly righteous way, respecting all forms of life equally, not inflicting suffering on any sentient being, etc, in the environment where we live, and having the needs we have: to eat, to kill foreign enemies, lab rats, insects, pests, bacteria, etc to protect ourselves. For that reason, I say that LIFE (the very nature of our lives) is evil, wrong, hurtful, violent, not good. As living beings that have the nature we have, which we did not choose but which was imposed to us arbitrarily, we have no choice but to do to other living beings things that we would not like others to do to us (evil). But, for every action we take there is an equivalent reaction that comes back and is done to us. This is called karma. What we sow, we reap. We sow evil, and so we reap evil. This is the cause of all human suffering. RE: The Universal Moral Code
October 24, 2017 at 12:45 am
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Half baked mysticism, and in the process.... a reduction of the terms evil and morality to meaningless. I doubt you know the cause of your own proximate suffering, let alone all human suffering.
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