(October 26, 2017 at 2:58 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 2:53 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Would this interest you then?:

Other Person's Response: I think your worldview might set up a dangerous model for society. Imagine if your model set up a world where criminals broke into your home and tortured you since it brought them positive emotions and it was the good thing to do, according to your model. Wouldn't that convince you that your worldview is false?

My Reply: It still wouldn't. Nothing would convince me otherwise. This is because you don't realize how vital and precious our inner light is. It is truly the only thing there is to life. Don't let that mislead you into thinking that my worldview is false. Things that seem absurd are often times things that are true. Not all models have to be functional to be true. There are, in fact, models out there that are true despite the fact that they seem quite absurd.

Certain things in life just work certain ways and that's just that. For example, there are many people who die of illnesses such as deadly viruses. This is just life and life is just a cycle of natural processes. Just because this is something that really does not work well for us as human beings does not make it untrue. This is just the absurdity of life. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the one and only life we have to live and that such a life can only be good through positive emotions. Our existence would, thus, be completely absurd since we live just to feel wonderful, die, and that is it.

Some people live a full life while others are only brought into this world for a very brief moment feeling miserable and just die. My entire life has been dominated by such absurdity and unfairness which means I am all too familiar with the absurdity and unfairness of life rule. It's as they always say. Life is a joke or a cruel bitch. Given this, wouldn't it be quite possible that my worldview is true then? One last thing here. Knowing something is true is the same thing as being convinced it is true because it would make no sense to say that you choose to remain deluded despite knowing the truth.

This means that the fact that I am not convinced means that I have not acquired any knowledge of my worldview being false if it really is false. But this knowledge would not take on the form of studying up on values, morals, and ethics because no amount of studying up will ever convince me otherwise. Rather, we are talking a completely different type of knowledge here. This form of knowledge would be personal experience. Based upon my own personal experience, I have come to realize that my positive emotions are the inner light that gives my life real good value, beauty, and worth.

Therefore, in order to convince me otherwise, that would require a whole new personal experience that gives my life real good values and not just a matter of thinking good values are there when there isn't. As long as I have no such personal experience in my life, then I will always have this worldview. Personal experience and educating yourself are two entirely different matters. Try convincing someone that his/her personal experience is false. It just won't work. This person's personal experience is so powerful and profound that nothing will convince him/her otherwise.

Only that you seems to be talking to yourself. 

So..... what's your medical diagnosis?

It still doesn't matter.  I am still getting an interesting point across to you.  As for my diagnosis, I have been diagnosed with ocd and autism.

(October 26, 2017 at 3:03 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 2:58 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Only that you seems to be talking to yourself. 

So..... what's your medical diagnosis?

It still doesn't matter.  I am still getting an interesting point across to you.  As for my diagnosis, I have been diagnosed with ocd and autism.

You're getting nothing across to me as I've stopped reading your walls of text. You spend most of your time talking "at" people instead of "to" people. 

Nothing regarding your fixation on magical thinking?

(October 26, 2017 at 3:12 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 3:03 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: It still doesn't matter.  I am still getting an interesting point across to you.  As for my diagnosis, I have been diagnosed with ocd and autism.

You're getting nothing across to me as I've stopped reading your walls of text. You spend most of your time talking "at" people instead of "to" people. 

Nothing regarding your fixation on magical thinking?

I did actually explain my reasons why I am convinced of my worldview.  It is because of all the absurdity and unfairness in this life already.

(October 26, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 3:12 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: You're getting nothing across to me as I've stopped reading your walls of text. You spend most of your time talking "at" people instead of "to" people. 

Nothing regarding your fixation on magical thinking?

I did actually explain my reasons why I am convinced of my worldview.  It is because of all the absurdity and unfairness in this life already.

That sounds like a healthy dose of self pity. 

In what ways have your been victimized? 

What are your emotional traumas?

(October 26, 2017 at 3:36 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I did actually explain my reasons why I am convinced of my worldview.  It is because of all the absurdity and unfairness in this life already.

That sounds like a healthy dose of self pity. 

In what ways have your been victimized? 

What are your emotional traumas?

I have never been victimized.  I live with a loving and caring family.  I just am simply aware that life is absurd since people die shortly and that is it.  As for my emotional traumas, they were in regards to things such as having a horrible near death experience where I experience the horrible nightmares that I have had.  I have had thoughts of avoiding certain negative thoughts which brought my life more and more misery.  I was avoiding the idea of being depressed and that just made me depressed and miserable.  It was a cycle that I finally broke free of.

As for the absurdity of life, all I have done here is applied that in creating my worldview.  There are innocent people who are poor and there are cruel people who are rich.  So, what if the good and bad value in our lives works no differently?  What if it is only the happy people who live the good lives while the miserable and depressed people live the bad lives regardless if they are innocent or cruel?  It doesn't matter who you are or what you think.  If you have a lot of money, then you are rich.  If you don't have that much money at all, then you are poor.  In that same sense, if you are happy, then you are living a good, beautiful, and worthwhile life.  If you are miserable and depressed, then you are living the bad, shit life.  Depressed people who think they are living the good life would be no different than a poor person believing he has won the lottery or that he has earned a lot of money when he hasn't. 

The poor person wouldn't be rich or earning big bucks, but he might have, at least, some money to get him by in life.  Likewise, the depressed person might have some degree of positive emotion to give his life, at least, some small degree of good values.  In short, money and water are materialistic qualities and there are poor people as well as people living in areas of the world scarce of water and money in their lives.  Likewise, good and bad are also materialistic qualities as well and there are depressed, unhappy, and miserable people out there who have mostly bad value in their lives and little good value.  Except, I wouldn't treat our positive and negative emotions as mere materialistic qualities of good and bad.  Good and bad are powerful, profound things and, thus, our positive emotions would be something precious and vital which would be our inner light while our negative emotions would be something horrible which would be our inner darkness.

(October 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 3:36 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: That sounds like a healthy dose of self pity. 

In what ways have your been victimized? 

What are your emotional traumas?

I have never been victimized.  I live with a loving and caring family.  I just am simply aware that life is absurd since people die shortly and that is it.  There are innocent people who are poor and there are cruel people who are rich.  Therefore, all I have done here is applied this in creating my worldview.  As for my emotional traumas, they were in regards to things such as having a horrible near death experience where I experience the horrible nightmares that I have had.  I have had thoughts of avoiding certain negative thoughts which brought my life more and more misery.  I was avoiding the idea of being depressed and that just made me depressed and miserable.  It was a cycle that I finally broke free of.

As for the absurdity of life, all I have done here is applied that in creating my worldview.  There are innocent people who are poor and there are cruel people who are rich.  So, what if the good and bad value in our lives works no differently?  What if it is only the happy people who live the good lives while the miserable and depressed people live the bad lives regardless if they are innocent or cruel?  It doesn't matter who you are or what you think.  If you have a lot of money, then you are rich.  If you don't have that much money at all, then you are poor.  In that same sense, if you are happy, then you are living a good, beautiful, and worthwhile life.  If you are miserable and depressed, then you are living the bad, shit life.  Depressed people who think they are living the good life would be no different than a poor person believing he has won the lottery or that he has earned a lot of money when he hasn't.  The poor person wouldn't be rich or earning big bucks, but he might have, at least, some money to get him by in life.  Likewise, the depressed person might have some degree of positive emotion to give his life, at least, some small degree of good values.

Blah, blah, blah. Good bye.

(October 26, 2017 at 4:23 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I have never been victimized.  I live with a loving and caring family.  I just am simply aware that life is absurd since people die shortly and that is it.  There are innocent people who are poor and there are cruel people who are rich.  Therefore, all I have done here is applied this in creating my worldview.  As for my emotional traumas, they were in regards to things such as having a horrible near death experience where I experience the horrible nightmares that I have had.  I have had thoughts of avoiding certain negative thoughts which brought my life more and more misery.  I was avoiding the idea of being depressed and that just made me depressed and miserable.  It was a cycle that I finally broke free of.

As for the absurdity of life, all I have done here is applied that in creating my worldview.  There are innocent people who are poor and there are cruel people who are rich.  So, what if the good and bad value in our lives works no differently?  What if it is only the happy people who live the good lives while the miserable and depressed people live the bad lives regardless if they are innocent or cruel?  It doesn't matter who you are or what you think.  If you have a lot of money, then you are rich.  If you don't have that much money at all, then you are poor.  In that same sense, if you are happy, then you are living a good, beautiful, and worthwhile life.  If you are miserable and depressed, then you are living the bad, shit life.  Depressed people who think they are living the good life would be no different than a poor person believing he has won the lottery or that he has earned a lot of money when he hasn't.  The poor person wouldn't be rich or earning big bucks, but he might have, at least, some money to get him by in life.  Likewise, the depressed person might have some degree of positive emotion to give his life, at least, some small degree of good values.

Blah, blah, blah. Good bye.

I was never here to have any genuine discussion in the first place.  My mission was to prove my worldview to others which would convince them.  Here is my best argument so far which is very short and is new:

If you were, for example, to be in a state of mind where you are yelling:

"MY LIFE IS AWESOME!!!  IT IS THE GREATEST LIFE POSSIBLE!!!"

Then that would be an emotional state.  It would be a very intense positive emotional state.  Your life would literally be the greatest.  But if you were completely apathetic and you felt no positive or negative emotion whatsoever and you yelled that same statement, then your life wouldn't be great or anything good at all.  To believe otherwise would be confusing thoughts with emotions and somehow thinking that thoughts themselves bring our lives value.  By definition, and emotional state is an exclamation of value in our lives. 

They give the power and drive of value to our lives since emotional states are states of drive and motivation.  That is, they give the power or force of value to our lives.  Thoughts, beliefs, attitudes, and mindsets themselves do not possess that force.  They are just words, intentions, and nothing more.  This actually all goes back to my example with positive and negative charges. You need a positive charge (an actual quality) just as how you need a positive emotion (an actual quality of good value) to give your life good value.  The same idea applies to our negative emotions giving our lives bad value.

If you felt a negative emotion and you thought that something had good value in your life such as it being a good day to be alive and said thought did not make you feel a positive emotion, then that thought form of value judgment during that negative emotional state would possess no positive drive to it.  It would possess no good quality and, thus, your life would not have any real good value during that negative emotional state.  One last thing here.  Emotions are actually value judgments which means they really are drives of value in our lives.  Here is a response from a skeptic/neuroscientist which supports this:

Quote:Emotions are value judgments too. If they weren't, humanity would not be distinct from other mammals; we would be biological machines with no autonomy, acting purely on instinct. For example, if you are physically hurt, and the doctor treating you causes you pain during treatment, do you become angry and bite him? No, because you are able to override your instinctive anger and fear at someone causing you pain with your ability to reason that the treatment is necessary and the pain is temporary. But a dog can't reason, and will bite to stop the person causing the pain. Both the instinctive emotions AND the reasoned thoughts are value judgments.

Then start a blog and stop trying to sell your inner crapola here. You have nothing convincing.

(October 26, 2017 at 9:42 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Then start a blog and stop trying to sell your inner crapola here. You have nothing convincing.

My mistake then.  I thought the philosophy section of this forum was not only for people to engage in a philosophical discussion, but also for those types of people such as myself who wish to prove a given claim to others through arguments.  But the thing is, it also requires the type of discussions I have been having in order for me to hone and perfect my arguments so that they could eventually be proven to others.  If I can't prove it to others, then my goal was to, at least, put others in a position where they no longer deem my worldview as nonsense but, rather, take deep consideration into it and wonder if it could really be true.

Then you're a failure.  I that intrinsically good or bad?