(November 2, 2017 at 9:28 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote:

(November 2, 2017 at 9:14 am)Cyberman Wrote: It does mean that at least one dog has three legs. People who believe unquestionably in superstitious nonsense, on the other hand, fit the definition of 'gullible'

But that's not the point.

If You could potentially use religion in a beneficial way - You get something that contains the experience of over 2000 years of collected human endevours.

If You take the counter part that is being presented today - science and You take the renessance to be the beginning of scientific thinking its just 600 years.

Quote:We DO use religion in a beneficial way - to illustrate how people will go to great lengths to justify a story that makes them feel good, powerful, included and loved.  What difference does it make that science "is just 600 years" old?

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If You compare the battle potential of different human beings. A person who is older is usually wiser than younger people. If You can prevent a person from looking into things that could teach them lessons about humanity and You Yourself acquire this knowledge, You get what is called an informational advantage, which can be compared to something like high-ground or fort on a battlefield and thus a much more higher chance for vicotry in any conflict.

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Since there is something like political correctness and classified information, one has to note that we live in society were free exchange of information is not possible. 

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So what I'm trying to say is. That most people are losers unaware of societal mechanism and not able to defend themselves against the influence of stronger players. What religion does is teach defense mechanisms against those kinds of attacks, giving the user the possibility of progress. As I said, its like GYM. If You change diet and train in a right way You will become stronger.

Quote:It may be a defense mechanism, but what progress is involved? You can learn much more by studying critiques of religion than the religion itself.

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Most people are powerholics and want power just for themselves. Since Christianity is a religion of love, the user does not aspire to the position of master, but servant. So for me it feels much better to share my experience with another person and to help them lead a better life, then to try to make them my slaves. It's even better from an egoistical viewpoint. I cannot help myself more than when I help those around me.

The religion of love?! Oh, please. It is a violent, egotistical, proscriptive fairy tale.

(November 2, 2017 at 9:39 am)possibletarian Wrote:

(November 2, 2017 at 3:58 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Faith means just that You understand that there are bits of information that cannot be comprehended at once.

That's just nuts, how can you understand what cannot be comprehended ?

Quote:Compare it to downloading lots of files that have been divided and packed in winrar. Unless You download all files of a given set, then extract it, then install it - and then the program can be run. Faith is the believe that if You follow certain instructions the end effect will be as promised.

But that process can be explain and demonstrated and you can also find many people who can demonstrate it to you, it really is an awful example and comparison of faith in the unknown and unexplainable.

Quote:Hell
Objective reality exists.
Because we are being lied to most of the time actions are taken that are not in accord with objective reality.
We build a thing called ego based on those actions - who we believe we are.
After death we get to know objective reality - and then hell is the act of self-condemnation that occurs because of the contrast of who we think we are and what we really are.

Yet another unfounded interpretation on a theme.  Unless you are simply saying we disappoint ourselves, or that we think of ourselves more highly than we should.

Quote:Imagine it like thinking You're a diamond, for whatever reason and later You get to look into a mirror and find out that You are less than a little piece of dirt.
Not being able to stand Your own view and runnning into a loop in which You try to keep up the diamond lie, would be as I believe hell to work. The first error given in the catholic catechism is pride. Pride implies a swollen ego etc. All other errors will have their own implications.

So are you saying we make ourselves feel bad ? is so then say so don't muddle it up with a mythical place called hell.

Quote:You have to remember that the greatest gift of existence is the possibility of love. Try to imagine what happens if You force somebody to love something or somebody else. Does that work? Free will is so important because of that reason. The value of love is so great that even allowing billions of idiots to exist is worth it (God gave people the potential for wisdom, and still they chose ignorance - but if it were to be forced upon them, love could not occur, since it can only exist under the conditions of free will). Love cannot be bought and requires lots of time to learn, but brings great reward to those who care to find out what it is.

Well we can't force people to love other people, least not in any intuitive way but I am interested in your free will qualifier, can you explain what you mean by free will?

That's just nuts, how can you understand what cannot be comprehended ?

Example:
W=F*S

Unless You know how to decode the equation it does not make sense. You could also insist on the idea that the equation does not make sense.
If You have all the elements You can use the equation.

If You google it You get to the concept of work 

It's the potential benefit of using information when there is a chance of doing it that counts.





Same here, many variables have to be understood at the same time. If some elements are missing a thing does not make sense.

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In regards to Satan and hacking a person's mind it does not matter if the hacker is a worm, person, fairy, dog.
As long as real threats are being taken into account and real preemptive measures presented everything is fine.

(November 2, 2017 at 9:11 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote:

(November 2, 2017 at 9:00 am)Khemikal Wrote: I can build sentences with the word fairy in it too.

The difference is that the amount of available data containing fairies its much smaller. At the same time the the goal of information containing the word fairy is different to those containing the word God.

Hardly, it's the same data set.   Substituting fairies in any sentence with god in it won't qualitatively change the message or it's accuracy.  

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A person writing a fairy tail aspires to the title of fiction writer. The point of such a work is usually entertaiment.

You've either misunderstood fairy tales, or god tales....take your pick.  

Quote:A person who has gone through many years of training in the field of philosophy, thus containing courses in logic for example. Who is trying to express something with the word God in it, aspires to the title of philosopher. The goal of such a work is to teach about moral rules and their implications; strengthen the resolve of the reader to not turn to evil or explain potential threats to the moral life of the reader. Explain the difference between materialistic and idealistic worldviews.

Many aspire to things they never achieve.  God is a useless irrelevance to moral rules or their implications.  

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If You find a dog with 3 legs it does not mean that dogs have 3 legs.
Similarly if You find a believer who is guillible it does not mean that believer are all gullible.
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They're gullible enough to believe in fairies, so?  

Quote:This is more complex.

It really isn't....I understand that you want it to be...but....wish in one hand shit in the other?

A recap here. You insist that your fairy isn't like the other fairies, and that people who tell the other fairy tales are in it for Bad Reasons™. You bristle at the suggestion that you're gullible but at the same time plainly show that you are. You mistakenly believe that god botherers are moral philosophers, and you hope that there's some unspecified complexity that rescues the whole sad mess from irrelevance.

When challenged on any or all of the above, you imagine some global internet conspiracy keeping the truth that you cannot, or will not express from the eyes of your interlocuters. I have a simpler suggestion. This is a delusion of grandeur on every single count.

The work of the NSA is classified.
Of course they would never turn to things like information control, no goverment does that. All goverments are for the benefit of people





In China they have 2 000 000 million soldiers working on the internet doing the work of cenzorship for example. - about 1,5% of the population

If You were to calculate how many could be in the USA if it were a similar percentage it would be 4845000.

Shit yall, he's found us out......burn the hard drives. Rally at the next god suppression black site. I'll provide cover while you move.

(November 2, 2017 at 8:45 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote:

(November 2, 2017 at 8:34 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: No, it means you can believe any damn thing you want to and whinge when people ask you to justify that. 

There is another word for that: gullibility


And usually applies for those whose do not have the determination to inverstigate any topic thoroughly.

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http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/have%20faith%20in

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Example:
If I hadn't had faith in my math teacher I would not have allowed him to teach me pythagoras theorem.
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So if I have faith in the church I allow a certain group of people to teach me about theories that are connected to existential problems.
I do not have to accept any theory or believe anything I am not sure of. If I do not know something I just say so. Faith is the thing required to walk the distance between supposition and knowledge.

You have faith in your imaginary friend but don't want to be deemed gullible? Seriously?

Yet this guy is not only here exposing all this conspiracy stuff, he knows he's free to do it.

Doesn't he know about the black bags and vans?

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(November 2, 2017 at 10:28 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You have faith in your imaginary friend but don't want to be deemed gullible? Seriously?

Seems like a classic disparity between goals and actions...doesn't it?  If I didn't want people to think I loved fried chicken I'd stop asking everybody everywhere if they had any...but that's just me, I guess.

BTW, yall got any fuckin chicken...

(November 2, 2017 at 10:29 am)Khemikal Wrote: Doesn't he know about the black bags and vans?

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(November 2, 2017 at 10:28 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You have faith in your imaginary friend but don't want to be deemed gullible? Seriously?

Seems like a classic disparity between goals and actions...doesn't it?  If I didn't want people to think I loved fried chicken I'd stop asking everybody everywhere if they had any...but that's just me, I guess.

BTW, yall got any fuckin chicken...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1qhCtpAa4

(November 2, 2017 at 9:32 am)Captain_Nemo Wrote:

(November 2, 2017 at 9:23 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: It's still a myth.  A myth can have some truth in it, but that doesn't make it true.

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I'm not looking for the destruction of religion.  The only way to overcome magical thinking is in one's own head.  People who want to believe will find some channel for their needs until they realize they're not real or necessary.

I find it ironic that immediately after the phrase, "can hack your mind and reprogram it at will" you say you believe in Satan.

But here its the same assumption again. You do not know what kind of data I have to keep the believe up.
And if You read further the point was in regards to something completely different. Additionaly I did not elaborate on what I think Satan is.
Just see what You did. Can You read minds?

I even put the word in brackets, to show that the point of the sentence is something different and You chose to address the least important aspect of the sentence.

If you have data that we don't know about, whip it out.  And using the name Satan, and then claiming I don't know what you mean by the term is disingenuous.  It has a definition, whether you agree with it or not.