(November 2, 2017 at 8:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Love not only believes in value, it attaches itself to it. It not only attaches itself to it but is magnetically pulled towards it.

It appreciates. It seeks intimacy. It causes one anger, frustration, and pain as well.

It is drawn to beauty and seeks it. It loves outward beauty but appreciates inward beauty more.

For every type of relationship, it has its own etiquettes. Thus it is as if a dictionary and manual on how to act with each and everything we come across.

The exact hue of your love, the exact type, the exact degree of that hue, the exact magnitude of that type, is all in the manual, and it tells you "balance" things properly.

It is justice to be short which is nothing but giving everything it's due.

Through the language of love, true strength and power can be gained.

Love's language, begin to listen to it. 

What is it source? Where is it coming from? 

Why do we so strongly believe in this language and pay attention to it at all cost?

You see it everywhere. There is evidence of it everywhere. In yourself as well. 

The degree of belief in it, you cannot even escape. You can delude yourself about it,  hide some of its foundational commands or instructions, but at the end, you cannot disbelieve in no matter how much you try.

Among the greatest signs of God is that he put compassion and love between us. And that it is him, as in it him, that is what makes us love and have compassion to each other. 

I don't mean cause and effect. I mean it's HIM again that has put love and compassion between us. I mean by that it is by him we ask one another rights and through his name, he created the male and female.

These are signs, compassion, mercy, praise, appreciating, searching for wisdom, etc. I am not going to spell it out for you and lead you on how love unequivocally proves God. I have done so many threads with that approach. 

Instead, I leave you with a question: Is a love a mysterious language that doesn't prove anything or is a mysterious language that proves everything worth knowing?

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And everyone will come with the answer: "false dichotomy", am I right?

These verses from the Quran are a personal favorites:

Quote:Sura 80, The Quran:
( 33 )   But when there comes the Deafening Blast
( 34 )   On the Day a man will flee from his brother
( 35 )   And his mother and his father
( 36 )   And his wife and his children,
( 37 )   For every man, that Day, will be a matter adequate for him.
( 38 )   [Some] faces, that Day, will be bright -
( 39 )   Laughing, rejoicing at good news.
( 40 )   And [other] faces, that Day, will have upon them dust.

Lots of evidence in the Quran shows that your post is -with full honesty- an emotional vomit, that is aimed to convert people without telling them what the rest of the faith says; in its own holy book:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
( 18 )   But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.

So I will say what Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- was ordered to say when people say they are "so special" and God "loooooves" them: why does a loving God tortures and destroys and punishes humans for their sins?

That's the hole in your post; OP: it simply defy the own holy book you say you're using as a source.

Quote:Sura 31, The Quran:
( 33 )   O mankind, fear your Lord and fear a Day when no father will avail his son, nor will a son avail his father at all. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth, so let not the worldly life delude you and be not deceived about Allah by the Deceiver.

Quote:Sura 33, The Quran:
( 39 )   [Allah praises] those who convey the messages of Allah and fear Him and do not fear anyone but Allah. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.

Quote:Sura 21, The Quran:
( 49 )   Who fear their Lord unseen, while they are of the Hour apprehensive.

It's always fear, fear, fear. Across the whole Quran; or in Arabic "يتقون, اتقوا, يتقي, اخشى, يخشى...".
Love is types; OP.

Having sex with your country -for example- means that you are crazy. It is so wrong, because love that dictates sex has a different type than love that doesn't. Love that require sacrifice is different than love that require consumption. Love that enforces loyalty is different than love that enforces fear (AKA Respect). What love do you speak about in your OP? I think you are very confused.

Loving something has so many different types, ways and methods. You don't "love" sleeping like you "love" sexual organs. You don't "love" a sexual spouse as you love your God. Mixing them together will make you commit the same mistakes Christianity made when it turned God into Jesus to be "loved" like a father and a husband.

I think  you are very confused.

I think loving God is the kind of love that enforces respect and fear. The"word love" is too broad in the OP.

'Love is a lie that cuts like a knife,
With its sorrows and faded blisses.
I go to a girl who asks naught of life,
Save wine and a drunkard's kisses.'  - Robert E. Howard

The above is just for contrast.  I'm actually a big fan of being in love (my wife says I have to be, so there).

Boru

What is it with MK and "Value"? its value this value that.
I don't get it.

Quote:I think loving God is the kind of love that enforces respect and fear. The"word love" is too broad in the OP.

Fuck me Atlas.... You said love and fear in the same sentence like it was a natural flow on...
You my friend are damaged goods ... Blame anybody/anything you like, it is what it is...

MK, is so far gone he's beyond comprehension... As dbp said above ... God is such a vague topic that he can only be described by even more vagueness...
A rabbit hole with no exit ....

(November 3, 2017 at 4:36 am)ignoramus Wrote:

Quote:I think loving God is the kind of love that enforces respect and fear. The"word love" is too broad in the OP.

Fuck me Atlas.... You said love and fear in the same sentence like it was a natural flow on...
You my friend are damaged goods ... Blame anybody/anything you like, it is what it is...

MK, is so far gone he's beyond comprehension... As dbp said above ... God is such a vague topic that he can only be described by even more vagueness...
A rabbit hole with no exit ....

Not at all: when you view an entity as absolute in power, you'll love it and fear it at the same time.
In other words; you love the gardens. But hate the volcanoes.

I'm not damaged. People do this all the time: especially nationalists. They love their countries even though they promise -by constitution- prison for the sinful, and high ranks and cash for the ones who follow the stereotype

I usually don't argue with you Atlas, but this time, I must say some words.

Quran does emphasize on guarding/fear etc, but some things:

It says to have Taqwa so that you become appreciative/thankful and has also said this is the purpose of the religion.
So while Worshiping God initially is for gaining Taqwa, it says to have Taqwa so that we may appreciate and give thanks.
It says the last of the call of the people to God who enter paradise will be all praise is to God, Lord of the worlds. 

Appreciating God and others is not only love but the best and highest form of love.

The other thing you are ignoring is that I am talking about love in general. Yes love towards God means you ought to revere and respect him, but I am talking about love in general.

You have a good day now.

(November 3, 2017 at 4:51 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Not at all: when you view an entity as absolute in power, you'll love it and fear it at the same time.

Maybe you feel that way, but maybe that's just you? In fairness, it does seem to be a common fixation for people who worship the various incarnations of angry desert god.

Someone has really fallen in love with the smell of his own farts.

(November 3, 2017 at 5:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I usually don't argue with you Atlas, but this time, I must say some words.

Quran does emphasize on guarding/fear etc, but some things:

It says to have Taqwa so that you become appreciative/thankful and has also said this is the purpose of the religion.
So while Worshiping God initially is for gaining Taqwa, it says to have Taqwa so that we may appreciate and give thanks.
It says the last of the call of the people to God who enter paradise will be all praise is to God, Lord of the worlds. 

Appreciating God and others is not only love but the best and highest form of love.

The other thing you are ignoring is that I am talking about love in general. Yes love towards God means you ought to revere and respect him, but I am talking about love in general.

You have a good day now.

No no; you actually wanted to debate me once and I shut you down; telling you a big "no no"; mainly because I think you're a troll.


You make the cause so hard with the nonsense you vomit as "legitimate theories". That was my opinion about you, and it won't change unless you change. You're a stalker who spit nonsense like the part I balded above.

Is the above a coherent paragraph, or you're trolling? I take a step back and just say "huh?" What the hell do you even mean?

"Taqwa" means "Piety" in English. In other words; it's defined in Arabic to be "fear of God".

So just -And I'm quoting you; troll- how does these two lines (which are part of the same sentence) are related?

Quote:So while Worshiping God initially is for gaining Taqwa

Quote:Appreciating God and others is not only love but the best and highest form of love.

What ? What the hell; OP?
If you ran out of missionary walls of text; say so or stop ! don't continue because I swear, this is not good for your head. The above didn't make any sense.

I tried to understand but I couldn't. It looks more like a filler of empty space; are you sure you're not an A.I ?
My expectations is that you're going to play the mental illness card again, in case you were mentally ill, I advise you to stay as away as possible from being a shiite internet soldier; Ayatoallah doesn't want but a good cash out of using you; believe me.

Minimalist Wrote:Let's hear more from fucking allah.

I recommend trying Tineye or other reverse image search on that photo.